{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 100/1907-06-24/p008","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Now you must not think that the Saturn mass was as firm and solid as the physical bodies of to-day; even water and air do not give you an idea of Saturn's fundamental substance. When speaking of bodies in occultism, we speak of solid, liquid and gaseous bodies. And if we speak of the elements in the old manner, they correspond to that which modern chemistry designates as the “aggregate conditions” of matter, for you must not think that the men of olden times, when speaking of the “elements” meant the same thing as we do. Then there is a higher “aggregate state”, designated in ancient occultism as “fire”; a better meaning is however conveyed by calling it “heat”. Even physics will be obliged to recognise that what is designated as heat, may be compared with a kind of fourth aggregate state, with another kind of substance differing from air and water. The Saturn mass was not even condensed to the state of air, it consisted of purified heat, and its activity resembled that of the heat your blood, for it was connected with inner life-processes. The physical processes upon Saturn were real life-processes. Saturn consisted of heat-substance, of an immensely fine volume which may be designated as neutral, if compared with our present substances.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"IX. The Earth's Passage Through Its Former Planetary Conditions","site_heading":null,"date":"1907-06-24","location":null,"word_count":215,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/100/1907-06-24/p008","alignment_confidence":"medium","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"not_established","translator":null,"identified_edition":"ANS1942","book_title":"Theosophy and Rosicrucianism","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA100/English/ANS1942/19070624p02.html","evidence":null,"reason":"source_says_translator_unknown","note":"The source page itself says the translator is unknown. No translator is established for this lecture: nothing at the level of the lecture names one. Do not attribute this English to a translator, and do not borrow a credit from another lecture of the volume. 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Auch die Physik wird gedrängt werden, anzuerkennen, daß das, was man Wärme nennt, sich wirklich vergleichen läßt mit einer Art vierten Aggregatzustands, einer andern Art Materie als Luft und Wasser. Also noch nicht einmal zur Luft verdichtet war die Saturnmasse; sie war geläuterte Wärme. Sie wirkte ähnlich wie heute die Wärme in Ihrem Blute wirkt, und sie war verknüpft mit inneren Lebensvorgängen, denn diese physikalischen Vorgänge waren wirkliche Lebensvorgänge. Aus Wärmestoff bestand der Saturn, eine ungeheuer feine Masse, die in bezug auf unsere Stoffe neutral genannt werden könnte.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":200,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/100/1907-06-24/p006"}],"english":["GA 100/1907-06-24/p008"],"method":"length","confidence":"medium","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":200,"en_words":215,"ratio":1.07,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.09,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":4487,"original_word_count":4115,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"not_established","translator":null,"identified_edition":"ANS1942","book_title":"Theosophy and Rosicrucianism","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA100/English/ANS1942/19070624p02.html","evidence":null,"reason":"source_says_translator_unknown","note":"The source page itself says the translator is unknown. 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