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But be-cause he had the three bodies and the seed with the three bodies now began to develop, he had a very different form. You would open your eyes in amazement if I should de-scribe it to you, for the present human form has arisen quite slowly and gradually from the time of the moon-separation. But the base, inferior moon-forces could not have given man his present form. They could certainly have given him a form, but an inferior one. If the moon-forces had remained with the earth they would have held him fast in one form. Forces that give the form must proceed from the moon, while forces that continually alter the form proceed from the sun. But in order that the present human form should arise, a molder, a modeler of form, must work from the moon; it was not possible otherwise. At that time therefore began the development of the ego-man. 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As a child needs teachers, so when man was already prepared to become an ego-bearer, he needed a stimulus on earth to enable him to advance, and there were two “stimulators.” You can think whence, from the whole cosmic evolution, they came.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":81,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/102/1908-02-15/p025","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1908-02-15","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 102/1908-02-15/p024","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/102/1908-02-15/p024"}],"bead_confidence":"high","pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false,"length_check":{"de_words":102,"en_words":81,"ratio":0.79,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. 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Until, at the end of the Atlantean Age, man could make the first feeble efforts to work independently with his ego upon the three bodies—for that was just possible at the end of the Atlantean Age—he had to have teachers. These teachers were beings of Venus and Mercury, and they went on working far beyond the Age of Atlantis. But they are not to be looked on as we look on our present teachers; the Venus beings must rather be thought of as those who endowed man with his intellectuality. Men knew nothing at all of this; just as the different human fluids work upon man, so did the forces of these beings influence him until he could work upon his bodies independently. What we find in man today as intelligence was mediated to him through the spirits who remained behind on Venus as Fire-Spirits of a lesser order. In addition to these were other teachers and they were in fact perceived consciously as teachers by men who attained clairvoyance—the teachers of the great Mysteries of ancient times. In the far past there was not only that all-embracing influence of the Venus-Spirits who worked more or less on mankind as a whole, there were also Mystery centres where the most advanced human beings received instruction spiritually from the Fire-Spirits. The exalted Fire-Spirits of Mercury instructed in the Mysteries; there they appeared—if we may say so—in a spiritual embodiment and were the teachers of the first initiates. Just as the first initiates became the teachers of the great masses of mankind, so did the beings of Mercury work as the teachers of the first initiates. From this you may realize that the beings of other stars have an influence upon man, but the very complicated nature of this influence can be seen from the following.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":317,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/102/1908-02-15/p026","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1908-02-15","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 102/1908-02-15/p025","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/102/1908-02-15/p025"}],"bead_confidence":"high","pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false,"length_check":{"de_words":349,"en_words":317,"ratio":0.91,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. 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Gerade durch den Zusammenklang von Sonnen- und Mondkräften entstand jenes Gleichgewicht, das den Menschen in seinem heutigen Entwickelungstempo erhält. Als die Erde herübergekommen war von dem alten Mond, hatte der Mensch von dem Saturn her seinen physischen Leib, von der Sonne her seinen Ätherleib und vom Mond her seinen astralischen Leib. Aber weil der Mensch die drei Leiber hatte, und jetzt der Same mit den drei Leibern aufging, hatte er eine ganz andere Gestalt. Sie würden große Augen machen, wenn ich Ihnen die schildern wollte; denn die Gestalt, die der Mensch heute hat, entstand ganz langsam und allmählich von dem Zeitpunkte der Mondentrennung an. Aber die schlechten, minderwertigen Kräfte des Mondes hätten dem Menschen nicht die heutige Gestalt geben können. Gestalt hätten sie ihm schon geben können, aber eine minderwertige. Wenn die Mondkräfte mit der Erde verbunden geblieben wären, hätten sie den Menschen in einer Gestalt festgehalten. Daraus sehen Sie schon, daß von dem Monde die Kräfte ausgehen müssen, die die Gestalt geben, während von der Sonne die Kräfte ausgehen, die fortwährend die Gestalt verändern. Aber damit der Mensch seine heutige Gestalt erhalten konnte, mußte ein Gestaltenbildner vom Mond aus wirken. Das war gar nicht anders möglich. So geht dazumal die Entwickelung des Ich-Menschen an. Das vierte Glied der menschlichen Wesenheit beginnt, und Jahve gibt dem Menschen den Keim zu einer solchen Gestalt, daß der Mensch ein Ich-Träger werden kann.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":268,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/102/1908-02-15/p023"},{"locus":"GA 102/1908-02-15/p024","passage_number":24,"text":"Jetzt ist aber der Mensch noch nicht fähig, diejenige Arbeit zu leisten, von der ich Ihnen gesprochen habe. Ich habe Ihnen gesagt, daß der Mensch von seinem Ich aus zunächst seinen astralischen Leib, dann seinen Ätherleib und dann seinen physischen Leib umarbeitet. Das kann der Mensch erst nach und nach in Angriff nehmen. Wie das Kind heute noch Lehrer braucht, so brauchte der Mensch, als er schon zubereitet war, ein Ich-Mensch zu werden, eine Anregung auf unserer Erde, um weiterzukommen; und es gab da für den Menschen zwei Anreger. Sie können sich aus der ganzen kosmischen Entwickelung denken, woher sie gekommen sind.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":102,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/102/1908-02-15/p024"},{"locus":"GA 102/1908-02-15/p025","passage_number":25,"text":"Diejenigen Wesenheiten, die dem Menschen am nächsten standen, waren die Venus- und Merkurwesenheiten. Bis der Mensch am Ende der atlantischen Zeit die ersten schwachen Versuche machen konnte, um von seinem Ich aus-selbständig auf die drei Leiber zu wirken — denn das ist erst am Ende der atlantischen Zeit möglich -, mußte er «Lehrer» haben, die noch weit über diese atlantische Zeit hinaus wirkten. Und diese Lehrer waren diejenigen Wesenheiten, die auf Venus und Merkur wirkten. Aber diese Wesenheiten sind nicht so zu denken, wie heute Lehrer sind; sondern Sie müssen sich vorstellen, daß die Venuswesen diejenigen Wesen sind, die den Menschen begaben mit seiner Intellektualität. Die Menschen wußten äußerlich gar nichts davon, daß diese Venuswesenheiten auf sie wirkten, ebensowenig wie sie wußten, daß vom Monde aus gewisse Wesenheiten in bezug auf ihre äußere Gestalt auf sie einwirkten. So wie ich Ihnen gezeigt habe, wie die verschiedenen Säfte auf den Menschen wirken, so wirkten die Kräfte dieser Wesenheiten auf den Menschen ein, bis er selbständig seine Leiber bearbeiten konnte. Was wir heute beim Menschen als Intelligenz finden, wurde dem Menschen vermittelt durch die Geister, die als Feuergeister minderer Sorte auf der Venus zurückgeblieben sind. Außerdem gab es noch andere Lehrer, die in der Tat von den ersten hellsehenden Menschen bewußt als Lehrer wahrgenommen wurden: die Lehrer der großen Mysterien in den alten Zeiten. In den Vorzeiten gab es nicht bloß jene umfassenden Einflüsse der Venusgeister, die mehr oder weniger auf die ganze Menschheit wirkten, sondern es gab auch Mysterienstätten, in denen die damals vorgeschrittensten Menschen auf geistige Art Unterricht bekamen von höheren Wesenheiten, von den Feuergeistern. In den Mysterien lehrten sie selbst, die erhabenen Feuergeister des Merkur. Da erschienen sie zunächst, wenn wir so sagen dürfen, in einer geistigen Verkörperung und waren die Lehrer der ersten Eingeweihten. So wie die ersten Eingeweihten die Lehrer der großen Menschenmassen wurden, so wirkten als die Lehrer der ersten Eingeweihten die Merkurwesenheiten. Auf diese Art sehen Sie zu gleicher Zeit, wie recht wahrnehmbar die Wesenheiten anderer Gestirne auf den Menschen einwirken; aber diese Einwirkungen sind sehr komplizierter Natur. Das können Sie aus folgendem sehen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":349,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/102/1908-02-15/p025"}],"beads":[{"from":[24],"to":[23],"confidence":"high","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[25],"to":[24],"confidence":"high","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[26],"to":[25],"confidence":"high","pairing_state":"proposed"}],"note":"Paired by the paragraph aligner; each language numbers its own paragraphs. A bead at either end of the span can carry text beyond it (the `from` numbers show what each bead covers)."}}