{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 102/1908-02-15/p030","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"So you see how the physicist when he looks out into the universe sees only the external bodies of spiritual organisms, and how spiritual science leads us to the spiritual foundations which bring about what the physicist sees. We have not been giving ourselves up to the illusion of the man who takes the little ball of oil and forgets that he himself turns it. We have sought for the beings who themselves drew out the globes of the planets which we perceive. We have not fallen into the illusion of thinking that if we are not there, the whole thing does not go on revolving. We have sought the “revolver,” the one who stands behind as the actual spiritually active being—so that one can always find full accord between what is said by Spiritual Science and discovered by official science. Only you can never derive what Spiritual Science says from the facts of science. You would then at most come to an analogy. If on the other hand the spiritual facts have been found by occult means, then, if you disregard what official science has yet to find, they will every time be in accord with what the physicist too has to say. So the theosophist can support the physicist. He knows very well that an occurrence in the physical realm may be just what the physicist describes, but in addition there is always the spiritual process. This does not prevent many scientists from feeling very superior and considering the theosophist a poor simpleton, or something worse. But the theosophist can look on quite calmly. It will be quite different in fifty years' time, for the continuation of merely materialistic science would do great harm to the health and well-being of man-kind if things were to remain as they are today, and if spiritual science were not to combat them.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture III","site_heading":"Spiritual Beings and Planetary Formation in Cosmic Evolution","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Wir haben uns nicht der Illusion hingegeben, daß, wenn wir nicht da sind, das Ganze sich weiter dreht; sondern wir haben den «Dreher» gesucht, denjenigen, der als die eigentlich geistig-wirksame Wesenheit dahintersteht, so daß man immer mehr den vollen Einklang finden kann zwischen dem, was die Geisteswissenschaft sagt, und dem, was die äußere Wissenschaft findet. Nur können Sie niemals aus den Tatsachen der äußeren Wissenschaft ableiten, was die Geisteswissenschaft sagt. Da werden Sie höchstens zu einer Analogie kommen. Wenn dagegen die geistigen Tatsachen mit den okkulten Mitteln gefunden werden, dann werden sie, wenn Sie absehen von dem, was von der äußeren Wissenschaft erst noch gefunden werden muß, jederzeit übereinstimmen mit dem, was auch der Physiker zu sagen hat. So wird der 'Theosoph jederzeit dem Physiker standhalten können. Er weiß sehr wohl, daß wenn irgend etwas im Physischen geschieht, es ganz gut so sein kann, wie es der Physiker beschreibt. Aber es gibt trotzdem immer noch dazu den geistigen Vorgang. Das hindert nicht, daß mancher Wissenschafter, der sich hoch erhaben fühlt, den Theosophen für einen Dummkopf oder für etwas noch Schlimmeres hält. Aber die Theosophie kann ruhig zusehen. Schon in fünfzig Jahren wird das ganz anders sein; denn der Fortbestand der bloß materialistischen Wissenschaft würde dem Heil und der Gesundheit der Menschheit sehr schlecht bekommen - wenn die Dinge wirklich so bleiben würden, wie sie heute sind -, wenn nicht die Geisteswissenschaft der Sache entgegenwirken würde.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":315,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/102/1908-02-15/p029"}],"english":["GA 102/1908-02-15/p030"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":315,"en_words":311,"ratio":0.99,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":0.94,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":5879,"original_word_count":6223,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"not_established","translator":null,"identified_edition":"AP1961","book_title":"The Influence of Spiritual Beings on Man","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA102/English/AP1961/19080215p01.html","evidence":null,"reason":"source_says_translator_unknown","note":"The source page itself says the translator is unknown. 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