{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 106/1908-09-05/p030","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"We shall understand many things better if we keep in mind one mystery in its full scope. We must imagine that at that time the teacher's influence on the pupil was entirely different from what it is today. Such an influence is now possible only when the pupil has already been brought to a certain stage of initiation. The forces exerted by the teacher on the pupil were much stronger at that time. Not only what the teacher could transmit by word or writing had an effect. In reality, all this worked only on the intellectual soul, but apart from this, mysterious magical forces worked from the teacher to the pupil, and it was essentially the teacher's forces that were able to fill with brightness and living force the pictures that the teacher called up before the pupil's soul. This singular influence was lost only in the fourth post-Atlantean period, in the Greco-Latin culture. These forces simply change. When one of the old Egyptians confronted a young person, it was quite different from a teacher confronting a pupil today. Entirely different forces worked from age to youth. This will be recognized by anyone who seeks to understand what was still described in ancient Greece. Socrates actually had telepathic powers, which he allowed to work on his pupils while he instructed them. Such things can no longer work in our time, but they are hinted at in Plato's writings. What was entirely justified then would be rejected as a misdemeanor today. Changes take place, and today no one has a right to copy such methods. 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Das alles wirkte eigentlich nur auf die Verstandesseele, aber außerdem wirkten magische, geheimnisvolle Kräfte vom Lehrer auf den Schüler, und es waren im wesentlichen die Kräfte des Lehrers, die da imstande waren, die Bilder, die der Lehrer vor die Seele des Schülers rückte, zu erfüllen mit Helligkeit und lebendiger Kraft. Diese eigenartige Wirkung hat sich im vierten nachatlantischen Zeitalter, der griechisch-lateinischen Kultur, erst verloren. Die Kräfte ändern sich eben. Es war ganz etwas anderes, wenn ein alter Ägypter einem jungen gegenüberstand, als wenn heute ein Lehrer dem Schüler gegenübersteht. Ganz andere Kräfte wirkten vom Alter auf die Jugend. Das muß derjenige wissen, der verstehen will, was noch im alten Griechentum beschrieben ist. So&rates hatte tatsächlich telepathische Kräfte, die er auf seine Schüler übergehen ließ, während er sie belehrte. Solches kann in unserer Zeit nicht mehr wirken. Solche Dinge werden angedeutet in P/atos Schriften. Heute würde es selbstverständlich eine verwerfliche Untugend sein, was damals durchaus berechtigt war. Es gehen eben Änderungen vor sich; niemand hat das Recht, das heute zu kopieren. Heutige Erscheinungen wollen sich darauf berufen, aber dasselbe würde heute verwerflich sein.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":277,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/106/1908-09-05/p025"}],"english":["GA 106/1908-09-05/p030"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":277,"en_words":278,"ratio":1.0,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.03,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":4393,"original_word_count":4251,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Norman MacBeth","identified_edition":"AP1971","book_title":"Egyptian Myths and Mysteries","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA106/English/AP1971/19080905p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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