{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 106/1908-09-09/p019","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"When the Greek initiates became acquainted with these mysteries of the Egyptians, they had already learned many things. Basically, they had learned the same things as the Egyptian initiates, but they gave them different names in their language. The initiates of the Egyptians had developed the clairvoyant gifts to a high degree, so that many of their pupils could look back clairvoyantly into those most ancient times. The Egyptian initiate had a direct connection with those mysteries, hence the Greek priests seemed to him to be only childish stammerers. This is illustrated by the words that an Egyptian priest once spoke to Solon, “O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes remain always children, and there is not an old man among you. In spirit you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you from ancient tradition, nor any science that is hoary with age.[^3] Thus did the Egyptian point out that his wisdom stood infinitely far above anything that can be experienced materially. Only in the Eleusinian mysteries did the Greeks progress equally far, but only a few participated in them.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Seventh Lecture","site_heading":"Cosmic Evolution of Human Form Through Osiris-Isis","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Bezeichnend ist daher das Wort, das einst ein ägyptischer Priester, der mit Solon zusammentraf, aussprach, indem er sagte: O Solon, Solon, ihr Hellenen bleibt doch immer Kinder, einen alten Hellenen gibt es nicht! Jung seid ihr alle im Geiste, denn ihr habet in demselben keine auf vieljährige Überlieferung gegründete alte Ansicht, noch irgendeine durch die Zeit ergraute Kunde.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":140,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/106/1908-09-09/p017"},{"locus":"GA 106/1908-09-09/p018","passage_number":18,"text":"So wies der Ägypter darauf hin, daß die ägyptische Weisheit hoch erhaben darüberstand über dem, was materiell erfahren werden kann. Nur in den eleusinischen Mysterien war man ebensoweit, aber es hatten nur wenige Teil daran. Aber was für jene Strecken der Erdenentwickelung der ägyptische Eingeweihte sah: daß sich der Gott Osiris von der Sonne getrennt hatte und auf den Mond gegangen war und von dorther das Sonnenlicht zurückstrahlte — das, was dieser Gott tut, das war auch den Griechen heilig. Auch sie wußten, daß dieser Gott Osiris es ist, der die achtundzwanzig Mondesgestalten bildet und dadurch die achtundzwanzig Nervenstränge im Menschen veranlagt. Durch Osiris wird das Nervensystem gebildet am Rückenmark herunter und dadurch der ganze menschliche Oberkörper geformt. Denn das, was als Muskel entsteht, kann seine Form nur erhalten dadurch, daß die Nerven die Bildner sind. Alles nun, was da ist an Muskeln, Knorpeln, an anderen Organen, wie Herz und Lunge, alle diese erhalten ihre Form nur durch die Nerven. So ist durch die frühere Sonnentätigkeit entstanden, was sich gebildet hat als Gehirn und Rückenmark, und an diesem Rückenmark arbeiten von außen die achtundzwanzig Gestalten des Osiris und der Isis. Also sind Osiris und Isis ihre Bildner, und indem das Gehirn seine Fühlfäden heruntersendet in das Rückenmark, da bearbeitet Osiris das Rückenmark. Das empfanden auch die Griechen, und die Griechen erkannten, als sie bekannt wurden mit den ägyptischen Mysterien, daß Osiris derselbe Gott war wie der, den sie Apollo nannten. 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