{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 106/1908-09-12/p008","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"When we thus describe what man experiences between death and a new birth, we must not imagine that the events of the Devachanic world are not also subject to change. People are apt to believe privily that, although our earth is changeable, everything up yonder, beyond death, remains the same. This is by no means the case. When we describe the sojourn in Devachan in this way, this means only that this is approximately the way things are there at the present time. But let us remember how it was when our souls were incarnated during the Egyptian culture. Then we looked upon the gigantic pyramids and the other mighty buildings. In earlier times things looked very different on this side, on the physical side. The countenance of the earth has changed greatly since then. We need only look into materialistic science and we shall find, for example, how a few thousand years ago there were entirely different animals in Europe, how Europe looked quite different. The face of the earth is constantly changing, whence it comes that man is always entering into new conditions of existence. This is obvious to everyone. But when we describe the conditions of the spiritual world, people are prone to believe that what happened there when they died a thousand years before Christ, is exactly the same as what happens when they are reborn and die again today. Just as the physical plane changes, so do things change in the other world. When man entered into Devachan from an Egyptian or a Greek life, his sojourn there was something quite different from what it is today. Evolution occurs there also. It is only natural that we should describe the present conditions in Devachan, but these have changed. 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Aber er arbeitet auch jetzt schon dort mit am Kosmos, er arbeitet mit am Pflanzenreich aus der geistigen Welt heraus. Der Mensch arbeitet an allem mit, nicht aus eigener Berechnung, sondern als dienendes Glied der geistigen Welt. Wenn wir nun so schildern dasjenige, was der Mensch zwischen Tod und einer neuen Geburt erlebt, so dürfen wir uns nicht vorstellen, daß die Ereignisse der devachanischen Welt nicht auch einer Veränderung unterlägen. Die Menschen haben so im geheimen das Bewußtsein, daß hier unsere Erde zwar veränderlich sei, daß drüben aber, jenseits des Todes, alles gleich bleibe. Das ist gar nicht der Fall. Wenn heute so geschildert wird der Aufenthalt im Devachan, so bedeutet das, daß dieses ungefähr der heutige Zustand des Devachan ist. Aber erinnern wir uns, wie es wat, als unsere Seelen in der Zeit der ägyptischen Kultur verkörpert waren. Damals sahen wir auf die gigantischen Pyramiden und auf die anderen großen Bauwerke hin. In früheren Zeiten sah es auf dieser Seite, der physischen Seite, ganz, ganz anders aus. Denken wir daran, wie sich das Antlitz der Erde seit damals sehr, sehr verändert hat. Wir brauchen nur die materialistische Wissenschaft zu verfolgen, und wir werden finden, wie zum Beispiel vor wenigen Jahrtausenden ganz andere Tiere in Europa waren, wie Europa ganz anders aussah. Das Antlitz der Erde ändert sich fortwährend, und daher kommt es, daß der Mensch immer wieder in neue Daseinsverhältnisse tritt. Das erscheint jedem ganz einleuchtend. Aber, wenn man die Verhältnisse der geistigen Welt schildert, dann glauben die Menschen so leicht, daß dasjenige, was in der geistigen Welt geschehen ist, wenn sie etwa tausend Jahre vor Christus gestorben sind, daß das, was sich drüben zugetragen hat, ganz genau dasselbe gewesen wäre wie dasjenige, was sich heute zuträgt, wenn sie heute wiedergeboren werden und heute wieder sterben.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":408,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/106/1908-09-12/p007"},{"locus":"GA 106/1908-09-12/p008","passage_number":8,"text":"Genau wie der physische Plan sich ändert, so ändern sich tatsächlich die Verhältnisse in der anderen Welt. Der Aufenthalt im Devachan war etwas ganz anderes als heute, wenn man eintrat ins Devachan aus dem ägyptischen Leben oder aus dem griechischen Leben. Auch da geht eine Evolution vor sich. Es ist ja nur natürlich, daß wir jetzt die gegenwärtigen Verhältnisse des Devachan schildern; die Verhältnisse haben sich aber geändert. 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