{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 106/1908-09-12/p017","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Already in Atlantis we meet beings who were among men as our fellows are today, but whom man saw and learned to know when he was in the spiritual world, severed from the body. We have already pointed out how man learned to know Thor, Zeus, Wotan, Baldur as actual companions. By day he lived in the physical world, but in the other condition of consciousness he learned to know spiritual beings who were going through a stage of evolution different from his. In this primeval period of the earth man did not yet have so solid a body as today; there was as yet nothing like a bony skeleton. The Atlantean body could be seen with physical eyes only to a certain extent. But there were beings who descended only so far as to incarnate in an etheric body. Then there were beings who still embodied themselves at that time, when the air was permeated by water-vapors. When man still lived in the water-fog atmosphere, these incarnations were possible for them. Such a figure was the later Wotan, for example. He said to himself, “If man incarnates in this fluid matter, then I can also.” Such a being assumed a human form and moved about in the physical world. But as the earth condensed and man took on ever denser forms, Wotan said, “No, I shall not go into this dense matter.” Then he remained in invisible worlds, in worlds removed from the earth.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Tenth Lecture","site_heading":"Initiation, Christ, and Humanity's Spiritual Redemption","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Den atlantischen Leib hat man nur bis zu einem gewissen Grade mit physischen Augen sehen können. Aber es gab Wesen, die nur soweit herunter kamen, daß sie sich durchaus nur in einem Ätherleibe inkarnierten. Dann gab es Wesen, die damals, als die Luft noch durchsetzt war von Wasserdünsten, sich noch verkörperten. Damals, als der Mensch noch in der Wasser-Nebel-Atmosphäre lebte, waren ihnen diese Verkörperungen noch möglich. Eine solche Gestalt war zum Beispiel der spätere Wotan. Er sagte sich: Wenn der Mensch sich so verkörpert in dieser lichtflüssigen Materie, dann kann ich das auch tun. - Es nahm ein solches Wesen Menschengestalt an und ging in der physischen Welt herum. Aber als dann die Erde immer dichter wurde und auch der Mensch immer dichtere Formen annahm, da sagte sich Wotan: Nein, in diese dichte Materie gehe ich nicht hinein. — Er blieb dann in unsichtbaren Welten, in erdenentrückteren Welten. 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