{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 110/1909-04-14/p004","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"From what has been said you will have seen that spiritual Beings of the most different kinds have to be active within a cosmic system which is in process of development. What in reality, is this ancient Saturn? Let us make a precise image of it. Of course ancient Saturn has nothing to do with the Saturn of the present day. You can easily imagine that in ancient Saturn were already included the germs of all that belongs to-day to the whole of our solar system; our Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and so on, all these bodies were within ancient Saturn and have evolved out of it. Imagine to yourselves a globe, or heavenly body which would have the sun as its central point and would reach so far outwards that the Saturn of to-day was contained in it, this globe, larger than our present solar system, would give you a correct idea of ancient Saturn. Our whole solar system came forth, out of ancient Saturn. One might even compare it — not exactly but approximately — with the general Kant-Laplace universal primeval mist, out of which, according to the opinion of many modern people, our solar system has formed itself. But the comparison is not quite accurate, for the majority imagine that a sort of gas was the starting point of our solar system, whereas we have seen that it was a body of warmth, not of gas. Ancient Saturn was a giant body of warmth.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture V","site_heading":"Cosmic Evolution Through Spiritual Hierarchies and Planetary Formation","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Denken Sie sich also einen Weltenkörper, der heute die Sonne zu seinem Mittelpunkt hätte und hinausreichen würde so, daß der heutige Saturn noch drinnen wäre, dann würden Sie diesen, unser heutiges Sonnensystem an Größe übertreffenden alten Saturn erst richtig in der Vorstellung haben. Also, aus diesem alten Saturn ist sozusagen unser ganzes Sonnensystem hervorgegangen. Man könnte ihn sogar vergleichen, zwar nicht vollständig, doch annähernd, mit dem gesamten Kant-Laplaceschen Welten-Urnebel, woraus nach der Ansicht vieler moderner Menschen unser Sonnensystem sich herausgebildet hat. Doch stimmt der Vergleich nicht vollständig, da die meisten sich eine Art von Gas als Ausgangspunkt unseres Sonnensystems denken, während wir gesehen haben, daß es nicht ein Gas-, sondern ein Wärmeleib war. Ein Riesenwärmeleib, das ist der alte Saturn.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":220,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/110/1909-04-14/p004"}],"english":["GA 110/1909-04-14/p004"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":220,"en_words":249,"ratio":1.13,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.06,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":4614,"original_word_count":4361,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"not_established","translator":null,"identified_edition":"APC1928","book_title":"The Spiritual Hierarchies (1928)","publisher":"Anthroposophical Publishing Co.","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA110/English/APC1928/19090414p01.html","evidence":null,"reason":"no_translator_named","note":"Neither the lecture's own page nor rsarchive's lecture list names a translator for it. 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