{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 110/1909-04-18/p007","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Another difficulty seems to have arisen because I said that the second planet which detached itself from our earth in the course of its evolution was Jupiter, the third Mars, whereas the sequence in time which I described was that the Saturn development came first, then the Sun development, and then the Moon's. But, this is completely justified; for, with the planets of the present day, we have to do with what took place as a repetition, during the fourth evolution of the earth. When the first Saturn was formed, Saturn was there alone; during the Sun development (the second globe), the conditions were such that we have to speak of a Sun. But when after the Saturn development, the Sun developments continued, the whole process of Saturn came to an end with the Sun, so that when we look backwards at those first planetary developments of our earth, the ancient Saturn, Sun and Moon, we must realise that they were finished with once and for all. But when we speak of the Earth's development it is not so. Saturn first arises, then, by way of repetition — the Sun; but everything progresses further inwardly, it is not yet finished. Jupiter is left behind as a relic of the repetition of the Sun-development. Then the earth is a repetition of the Moon development, which — if we regard the whole of evolution — was then at an end. But as regards earthly evolution the Moon is not finished. 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Als die Sonnenentwickelung geschah, da waren in diesem zweiten Körper, der sich gebildet hatte, die Verhältnisse so, daß wir von einer Sonne sprechen müssen. Aber als nach der Saturnentwickelung die Sonnenentwickelung vor sich ging, da war ja der ganze Prozeß mit der Sonnenentwickelung abgeschlossen. So daß, wenn wir zurückblicken auf diese ersten planetarischen Entwickelungen unserer Erde, wir uns bewußt sein müssen, daß sie nun auch abgeschlossen waren.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":160,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/110/1909-04-18/p007"},{"locus":"GA 110/1909-04-18/p008","passage_number":8,"text":"Wenn wir von der Erdenentwickelung sprechen, so ist das nicht so. Da entsteht zuerst Saturn, dann allerdings als Wiederholung die Sonne; aber das rückt weiter nach innen vor, es ist nicht abgeschlossen, es wird zurückgelassen der Jupiter als der Rest der Sonnenentwickelungs-Wiederholung. Das ist, was wir berücksichtigen müssen. 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