{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 110/1909-04-18/p027","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Thus we build up our idea of evolution from the point when it begins, up to the time when one can give out, can create. The idea of the creator rises before our spiritual sight, and we say to ourselves, each separate being develops from the creature to the creator. The Archangels developed to the human stage on ancient Sun, the Spirits of Personality on ancient Saturn, the Angels on the ancient Moon, we men, upon the earth; and so it will continue always, in all times, Beings will be developing into men. Does all that continue endlessly? Is it really only a succession of circles, in which is repeated on the Sun that which previously took place on Saturn, only that a number of beings are added to the former ones with each circle? Is it really all, that out of originally helpless creatures beings should ever be developing into those who can sacrifice themselves? This is not at all the case! But the great question arises: Is the humanity which was experienced on Saturn by the Spirits of Personality, the humanity experienced on the Sun by the Archangels, and that experienced by the Angels on Mars, are these all the same kind of humanity as that which we are now experiencing upon earth? When we consider the nature of the Angels, for instance, do we see in them the image of what we shall be in our next Jupiter epoch? Do we see in the spirits of fire only the image of those beings we shall ourselves be in Venus? Can it really be said with reason that, in reaching to higher stages in the evolution of the world, and rising even into the Hierarchies, we shall develop only into Beings which exist already? Has our path of evolution been trod already by others? These are the great questions which each of you may ask who has let these lectures act impartially upon his soul. Have we only to do with a humanity which is externally repeated in the same way, so that we are now as the Spirits of Personality were on the Saturn, the Fire Spirits or Archangels on the Sun, the Angels on the Moon? For us this might be important, but for the higher Gods it would only be a multiplication of their own creations, and they would not have achieved any special progress. But there is another question: Will men, just because they have become men upon the earth, be enabled some day, perhaps, to develop into beings capable of something of which the Angels are incapable, something of which also the Archangels and the Spirits of Personality are incapable? Has the whole of Creation learnt something through having produced men after the Archangels, and after the Angels? Has Creation made progress through that? Is it possible that man, because he was fitted to descend deeper, will, therefore, have gained the possibility, the right, to rise still higher? We ask ourselves this as a sort of consequential question. The remainder of our considerations must be dedicated to this question: What is the whole significance and importance of man in the Cosmos and his relation to the Hierarchies? What will Man become in the succeeding stages of the Hierarchies?","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture IX","site_heading":"Cosmic Man and Planetary Evolution: Zodiac Forces","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Ist das wirklich nur ein ewiges Ablaufen von Kreisläufen, durch die sich zum Beispiel auf der Sonne wiederholt, was auf dem Saturn schon da war, nur daß eine Anzahl von Wesenheiten später darankommt? Denn die Feuergeister kommen eine Stufe später als die Geister der Persönlichkeit. Ist das wirklich alles so, daß immer Wesen aus hilflosen Geschöpfen des Anfangs sich hinaufentwickeln zu solchen, die sich opfern können? Das ist nicht der Fall, das ist durchaus nicht der Fall! Es entsteht eben die große Frage: Ist das Menschentum auf dem Saturn, das die Geister der Persönlichkeit geführt haben, das Menschentum der Erzengel auf der Sonne, das der Engel auf dem Mars, ist das dasselbe Menschentum wie dasjenige, das wir hier auf der Erde führen? Sehen wir, wenn wir die Natur der Engel zum Beispiel ins Auge fassen, nur in ihnen das Bild unserer eigenen nächsten Epoche, der Jupiterepoche? Sehen wir in den Feuergeistern nur das Bild derjenigen Wesenheiten, die wir auf der Venus sein werden? Ist wirklich Anlaß vorhanden, sich zu sagen: Da stehen wir auf unserer Erde, wir werden höhere Stufen erreichen in der Weltentwickelung, wir werden selbst heraufsteigen in der Hierarchie, aber die Wesen, zu denen wir werden können, sie sind schon alle da, und unsere eigene Stufe ist ja früher von anderen Wesenheiten beschritten worden! Ist das so? Das ist die große Konsequenzfrage, die eigentlich jedem, der unbefangen die Vorträge hat auf sich wirken lassen, vor die Seele treten muß.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":342,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/110/1909-04-18/p020"},{"locus":"GA 110/1909-04-18/p021","passage_number":21,"text":"Haben wir es bloß mit einem Menschenwerden zu tun, das sich ewig wiederholt, dann sind wir wie die Geister der Persönlichkeit auf dem alten Saturn, wie die Erzengel auf der alten Sonne, wie die Engel auf dem Mars. Für uns mag das wichtig sein, für die höheren Götter wäre es nur eine Vermehrung ihrer Geschöpfe, und sie hätten nichts Sonderliches als Fortschritt erreicht. Eine andere Frage ist es aber: Werden sich die Menschen vielleicht einmal gerade dadurch, daß sie auf der Erde Mensch werden, zu Wesenheiten entwickeln, die etwas können, was die Engel nicht können, was auch die Erzengel und die Geister der Persönlichkeit nicht können? Hat die ganze Schöpfung erwas dazugelernt dadurch, daß sie nach den Erzengeln und Engeln Menschen erzeugt hat? Hat die Schöpfung einen Fortschritt gemacht? Hat der Mensch dadurch, daß er sich dazu bequemt hat, tiefer herunterzusteigen, hat er vielleicht dadurch Anwartschaft darauf, noch höher hinaufzusteigen? Diese Frage stellen wir uns einmal als eine Art Konsequenzfrage hin. Der Rest unserer Betrachtungen muß ihr gewidmet sein: der ganzen Bedeutung des Menschen im Kosmos und der Beziehung des Menschen zu den höheren Hierarchien — was wird der Mensch innerhalb der Stufenfolge der Hierarchien?","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":195,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/110/1909-04-18/p021"}],"english":["GA 110/1909-04-18/p027"],"method":"length","confidence":"medium","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":537,"en_words":545,"ratio":1.01,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","anchors","reader"],"reader_german":["GA 110/1909-04-18/p020","GA 110/1909-04-18/p021"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.01,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":5093,"original_word_count":5049,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"not_established","translator":null,"identified_edition":"APC1928","book_title":"The Spiritual Hierarchies (1928)","publisher":"Anthroposophical Publishing Co.","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA110/English/APC1928/19090418a01.html","evidence":null,"reason":"no_translator_named","note":"Neither the lecture's own page nor rsarchive's lecture list names a translator for it. 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