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We learned that the old initiation, for instance, was based upon the withdrawal, in a certain respect, of the etheric body, which normally is firmly joined to the physical body, and that this enabled the astral body to imprint its experiences into the etheric body. Such was the procedure in the old initiation, and an abnormal condition had to supervene in the baptism by John as well. The disciple was submerged in water, resulting in a certain separation of the etheric from the physical body; and thus he could attain to a survey of his life and become aware of the connection of this individual life with the regions of the divine-spiritual world. To make it a little clearer, we can say that when the submersion was successful it produced in the disciple the conviction: I have spirit within me; I am not just a being in this physical-material body; and this spirit within me is one with the spirit underlying all things.—And he knew in addition that the Spirit Whom he thus confronted was the same that Moses had perceived in the fire of the burning bush and in the lightning on Sinai as Jahve, as *I am the I AM, as ehjeh asher ehjeh*. 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The latter perceived, when in the abnormal state I described yesterday, those divine-spiritual beings that had already been connected with the earth before Zarathustra's Ahura Mazdao—the Jahve of Moses—had united with the earth. So what men perceived by means of the ancient wisdom was the old spiritual world out of which man was engendered, in which he still dwelt in the old Atlantean age, and for which the people of ancient India longed: the old Gods. Unknown, however, to the old initiate was the God Who had long remained remote from the earth in order ultimately to appear with deeper effect—He Who throughout long ages influenced the earth only from without and Who then approached it gradually, so that Moses was able to perceive the approach. 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There he learned what could be put somewhat as follows: The Gods I learned to know in former times were connected with the earth before the Divinity Jahve-Christ came to unite with it; now I know that the first and foremost Spirit among them, the Leading Spirit, is He Who approached the earth only gradually.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":163,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/112/1909-06-30/p006","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1909-06-30","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 112/1909-06-30/p006","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/112/1909-06-30/p006"}],"bead_confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false,"length_check":{"de_words":296,"en_words":312,"ratio":1.05,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. 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He did not need the immersion by John the Baptist, but through this act he learned to know the connection between his own individuality—what he was as a personality—and the great Father-Spirit of the world. Only few, to be sure, could achieve this result; indeed, most of them only needed to take the baptism as a symbol, as something that served, so to speak, under the powerful influence of John's teaching, to consolidate their faith in the existence of Jahve-God. But among them were some who in earlier incarnations had developed so far that they were now able to learn to a certain extent from personal observation.—For all that, however, it was an abnormal state to which the human being was reduced by John's baptism.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":149,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/112/1909-06-30/p007","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1909-06-30","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 112/1909-06-30/p006","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/112/1909-06-30/p006"}],"bead_confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false,"length_check":{"de_words":296,"en_words":312,"ratio":1.05,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. 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Wir haben ja gehört, daß zum Beispiel die alte Einweihung darauf beruhte, daß der Ätherleib des Menschen, der sonst fest mit dem physischen Leib verbunden ist, in gewisser Beziehung herausgehoben wurde aus dem physischen Leib, und daß es dadurch dem astralischen Leib möglich wurde, seine Erlebnisse dem Ätherleib einzudrücken. Das galt für die alte Einweihung. Und auch durch die Johannes-Taufe mußte ein abnormer Zustand eintreten. Der Mensch wurde unter Wasser gebracht. Dadurch wurde der Ätherleib in gewisser Beziehung vom physischen Leibe getrennt, so daß der Mensch zu einer Anschauung seines Lebens kommen konnte und sich der Verbindung dieses individuellen Lebens mit den Reichen der göttlich-geistigen Welt bewußt wurde. Wenn wir etwas deutlicher sein wollen, können wir sagen: Derjenige, der mit Erfolg wieder aus dem Wasser herausgezogen wurde, wußte durch diesen Vorgang: Ich habe ein Geistiges in mir, ich bin nicht nur ein Wesen in diesem physisch-materiellen Leib. Und dieses Geistige in mir hängt zusammen mit dem Geiste, der hinter allen anderen Dingen ist. - Er wußte außerdem, daß dieses Geistige, das ihm da entgegentrat, dasselbe ist, was Moses im Feuer des brennenden Dornbusches und in dem Blitz auf Sinai als Jahve, als «Ich bin der Ich-bin», als «ehjeh asher ehjeh» wahrgenommen hatte. Das alles wußte er durch die Johannes-Taufe.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":241,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/112/1909-06-30/p004"},{"locus":"GA 112/1909-06-30/p005","passage_number":5,"text":"Wodurch unterschied sich ein solches Bewußtsein von dem eines alten Eingeweihten? Ein alter Eingeweihter, wenn er in jenen abnormen Zustand gebracht wurde, den ich Ihnen gestern geschildert habe, nahm die alten göttlich-geistigen Wesenheiten wahr, die auch schon mit der Erde verbunden waren, bevor sich das, was Zarathustra « Ahura Mazdao », was Moses den « Jahve » genannt hat, mit der Erde verband. Die alte geistige Welt also, aus der der Mensch herausgewachsen ist, in der er noch in der alten atlantischen Zeit war, und nach der sich das alte indische Volk sehnte, die alten Götter, sie nahm der Mensch wahr durch die uralte Weisheit. Den Gott aber, der sich eine entsprechend lange Zeit von der Erde ferngehalten hat, um desto wirksamer aufzutreten, der sie lange Zeiten hindurch nur von außen beeinflußte und sich langsam ihr annäherte, so daß Moses diese Annäherung hat wahrnehmen können, diesen Gott kannte der alte Eingeweihte noch nicht. Erst diejenigen Menschen, die im Sinne der alttestamentlichen Einweihung eingeweiht wurden, nahmen etwas von der Einheit alles Göttlichen wahr.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":172,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/112/1909-06-30/p005"},{"locus":"GA 112/1909-06-30/p006","passage_number":6,"text":"Betrachten wir einmal den Gemütszustand eines Eingeweihten, nicht der persischen oder der späteren ägyptischen Mysterien, sondern eines Eingeweihten, der außerdem auch das durchlebt hatte, was man in der hebräischen Geheimforschung aufnehmen konnte. Nehmen wir an,ein solcher Eingeweihter habe zum Beispiel auch die Einweihung auf dem alten Sinai durchgemacht, sagen wir in einer Inkarnation während der althebräischen Entwickelung oder auch noch früher. Da war er geführt worden zu der Erkenntnis der alten göttlichen Welt, aus der der Mensch herausgewachsen war. Dann trat er mit der uralten Weisheit, mit dieser Beobachtungsgabe für die uralte göttliche Welt in die hebräische Geheimlehre. Da lernte er dann etwa folgendes sagen: Das, was ich früher kennengelernt habe, waren Götter, die mit der Erde verbunden waren, bevor die Gottheit Jahve-Christus sich mit der Erde vereinigt hat. Jetzt aber weiß ich, daß der hauptsächlichste Geist unter ihnen, der führende Geist der ist, der sich erst nach und nach der Erde genähert hat. So lernte ein solcher Eingeweihter die Identität kennen seiner geistigen Welt mit derjenigen geistigen Welt, in der der herannahende Christus herrscht. Derjenige, der ins Wasser untergetaucht wurde durch Johannes, brauchte kein Eingeweihter zu sein; erlernte dadurch aber kennen den Zusammenhang seiner Individualität, was er als Persönlichkeit war, mit dem großen Vatergeist der Welt. Allerdings nur wenige konnten diesen Erfolg haben. Die meisten brauchten ja auch diese Taufe nur als ein Symbolum hinzunehmen, nur als das, was ihnen sozusagen dazu diente, daß sie nun auf Treu und Glauben, unter dem bedeutsamen Einfluß der Lehre des Täufers Johannes, von dem Dasein des Jahve-Gottes überzeugt waren. Es waren aber unter denen, die untergetaucht wurden, solche, die sich in früheren Inkarnationen schon reif gemacht hatten, um einiges aus eigener Beobachtung kennenzulernen. Ein abnormer Zustand jedoch war es, in welchen der Mensch durch die Johannes-Taufe versetzt wurde.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":296,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/112/1909-06-30/p006"}],"beads":[{"from":[4],"to":[4],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[5],"to":[5],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[6,7],"to":[6],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"}],"note":"Paired by the paragraph aligner; each language numbers its own paragraphs. 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