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Communications made by beings of the spiritual world to the initiate and the clairvoyant in the present age—these are the sources of knowledge for spiritual science. And in a certain respect these sources are the same in our age as in the times just described to you. Hence in our age too, those who have insight into the world of Imagination may be called clairvoyants, but only those who can rise to the stages of Inspiration and Intuition can be called ‘Initiates’. In our present age the expressions ‘clairvoyant’ and ‘initiate’ are not necessarily synonymous.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":172,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/114/1909-09-15/p019","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1909-09-15","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 114/1909-09-15/p024","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/114/1909-09-15/p024"}],"bead_confidence":"high","length_check":{"de_words":185,"en_words":172,"ratio":0.93,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. The German original passage(s) above are the edition-invariant anchor — fetch them (lang='de') to verify wording before quoting across editions."},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Dorothy S. 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In order to make the difference even more obvious, let me say the following.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":147,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/114/1909-09-15/p020","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1909-09-15","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 114/1909-09-15/p025","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/114/1909-09-15/p025"}],"bead_confidence":"high","length_check":{"de_words":133,"en_words":147,"ratio":1.11,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. The German original passage(s) above are the edition-invariant anchor — fetch them (lang='de') to verify wording before quoting across editions."},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Dorothy S. 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A clairvoyant would then be able to tell such a man a great deal as yet unknown to him.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":164,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/114/1909-09-15/p021","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1909-09-15","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 114/1909-09-15/p026","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/114/1909-09-15/p026"}],"bead_confidence":"high","length_check":{"de_words":175,"en_words":164,"ratio":0.94,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. The German original passage(s) above are the edition-invariant anchor — fetch them (lang='de') to verify wording before quoting across editions."},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Dorothy S. 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The same voice, as it were, that can be heard to-day, sounds across to us from the depths of the centuries.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":147,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/114/1909-09-15/p022","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1909-09-15","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 114/1909-09-15/p027","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/114/1909-09-15/p027"}],"bead_confidence":"high","length_check":{"de_words":155,"en_words":147,"ratio":0.95,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. The German original passage(s) above are the edition-invariant anchor — fetch them (lang='de') to verify wording before quoting across editions."},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Dorothy S. 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Dadurch, daß irgend etwas in den Evangelien steht, würde es für denjenigen, der streng auf dem Boden der Geisteswissenschaft steht, durchaus noch nicht eine Wahrheit sein. Der Geisteswissenschafter schöpft nicht aus geschriebenen Urkunden, sondern der Geisteswissenschafter schöpft aus dem, was die geisteswissenschaftliche Forschung selbst zu seiner Zeit gibt. Was zu unserer Zeit die Wesen der geistigen Welt dem Eingeweihten und dem Hellseher zu sagen haben, das sind die Quellen für die eigentliche Geisteswissenschaft, für die Eingeweihten und für die Hellseher. Und diese Quellen sind in unserer Zeit in gewisser Beziehung dieselben wie in jenen Zeiten, die ich Ihnen eben geschildert habe. Daher kann man auch heute hellsichtige Menschen diejenigen nennen, welche in die imaginative Welt Einsicht haben, und Eingeweihte kann man erst solche nennen, welche sich erheben können zur Stufe der Inspiration und Intuition. So braucht für diese Zeiten der Ausdruck des Hellsehers nicht zusammenzufallen mit dem des Eingeweihten.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":185,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/114/1909-09-15/p024"},{"locus":"GA 114/1909-09-15/p025","passage_number":25,"text":"Was uns im Johannes-Evangelium begegnet, konnte nur auf der Forschung des Eingeweihten beruhen, der hinaufsteigen konnte bis zur inspirierten und intuitiven Erkenntnis. Was uns in den anderen Evangelien entgegentritt, das konnte beruhen auf Mitteilungen von imaginativen, von hellsichtigen Menschen, die also noch nicht selbst hinaufsteigen konnten in die inspirierte und intuitive Welt. So beruht, wenn wir den heutigen Unterschied streng festhalten, das Johannes-Evangelium auf der Einweihung; die drei übrigen Evangelien, vorzugsweise das Lukas-Evangelium, sogar nach dem Ausspruche des Schreibers selbst, auf der Hellsichtigkeit. Und weil es insbesondere auf der Hellsichtigkeit beruht, weil alles zu Hilfe gerufen wird, was der trainierteste Hellseher zu schauen vermag, bietet sich uns ein genaues Bild für das, was uns im Johannes-Evangelium nur in verblaßten Bildern dargestellt werden kann. Um den Unterschied noch genauer hervorzuheben, möchte ich folgendes sagen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":133,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/114/1909-09-15/p025"},{"locus":"GA 114/1909-09-15/p026","passage_number":26,"text":"Nehmen Sie an — was allerdings heute kaum der Fall ist —, daß ein Mensch eingeweiht würde, so daß die Welt der Inspiration und der Intuition für ihn offenstände, daß er aber nicht hellsichtig wäre, daß er also nicht die imaginative Welt erkennen könnte. Ein solcher Mensch begegne einem andern Menschen, der vielleicht gar nicht eingeweiht ist, dem aber durch irgendwelche Umstände die imaginative Welt offensteht, so daß er das ganze Feld der Imaginationen schauen kann. Ein Mensch der letzteren Art könnte dem ersteren sehr viel mitteilen, was der erstere nicht schaut, was dieser erstere vielleicht erst aus der Inspiration heraus erklären kann, was er aber nicht selbst schauen kann, weil ihm die Hellsichtigkeit fehlt. Menschen, die hellsichtig sind, ohne eingeweiht zu sein, sind heute sehr zahlreich; das Umgekehrte ist heute kaum der Fall. Dennoch könnte es sein, daß irgendein eingeweihter Mensch zwar die Gabe der Hellsichtigkeit hat, aber aus irgendwelchen Gründen im einzelnen Falle nicht zum Schauen der Imäginationen kommen kann. Dann könnte ein hellsichtiger Mensch ihm vieles erzählen, was ihm noch unbekannt ist.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":175,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/114/1909-09-15/p026"},{"locus":"GA 114/1909-09-15/p027","passage_number":27,"text":"Daß die Anthroposophie oder Geisteswissenschaft nicht auf etwas anderem als auf den Quellen der Eingeweihten fußt, daß also weder das Johannes-Evangelium noch die anderen Evangelien Quellen ihrer Erkenntnis sind, muß immer strenge betont werden. Was heute erforscht werden kann ohne eine historische Urkunde, das ist die Quelle für das anthroposophische Erkennen. Dann aber gehen wir an die Urkunden heran und suchen das, was die Geistesforschung heute finden kann, mit den Urkunden zu vergleichen. Was die Geistesforschung heute ohne eine Urkunde finden kann über das Christus-Ereignis — zu jeder Stunde finden kann -, das finden wir in der. großartigsten Weise im Johannes-Evangelium wieder. Und darum ist es eine so wertvolle Schrift, weil es uns zeigt, daß damals, als es geschrieben wurde, einer da war, der so geschrieben hat, wie heute einer, der in die geistige Welt eingeweiht ist, schreiben kann. Sozusagen dieselbe Stimme, die heute wahrgenommen werden kann, kommt zu uns aus den Tiefen der Jahrhunderte.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":155,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/114/1909-09-15/p027"}],"beads":[{"from":[19],"to":[24],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[20],"to":[25],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[21],"to":[26],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[22],"to":[27],"confidence":"high"}],"note":"Paired by the paragraph aligner; each language numbers its own paragraphs. A bead at either end of the span can carry text beyond it (the `from` numbers show what each bead covers)."}}