{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 117/1909-11-13/p021","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"But now something else follows. A person might dispute the value of communications from the spiritual world if he has not seen the phenomena for himself. Let us imagine a third person as well as the two mentioned. This third person is not clairvoyant at all but is informed of the results of spiritual investigation in so far as they have been acquired by clairvoyance combined with clear thinking. He looks upon them as reasonable. Yes, they are facts from the spiritual world. The thinking clairvoyant has acquired them, and anyone who has grasped them with his reason possesses them, even if he is not conscious of it. You do not need to be at all clairvoyant, yet you have the full value in yourself of what has been communicated to you.. There is a difference between having something and being conscious that one has it. The relation of a non-clairvoyant theosophist to a clairvoyant theosophist can become clear by thinking of the following.—Imagine that you had been given a legacy, but had not yet heard about it. If this were the case, the legacy would nevertheless have its value for you. Even if you do not hear about it until later, yet you possess it all the same. So it is with whoever learns of the facts of the spiritual world through Spiritual Science. They are his, if he has grasped them in an understanding way; he possesses them and need only wait for the time when he will become conscious of them. The becoming conscious of them, however, is not of equal significance with their possession. This is particularly noticeable after death. Which is of more use—if we may put it thus trivially, to make the meaning clear—which is of more use to man after death: to see something in a visionary way, without thought, or to receive purely theosophical communications without seeing things in a visionary way?","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"The Tasks and Aims of Spiritual Science","site_heading":null,"date":"1909-11-13","location":null,"word_count":320,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/117/1909-11-13/p021","alignment_confidence":"low","alignment_reason":"count_diverges","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"D. S. 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Ja, es sind Tatsachen aus der geistigen Welt. Der visionäre, denkende Scher hat sie und ein jeder hat sie, der sie vernünftigerweise begriffen hat, wenn er sich dessen auch nicht bewußt ist. Sie brauchen lange nicht hellsichtig zu sein und haben dennoch den vollen Wert dessen, was Sie als Mitteilungen empfangen, in sich.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":162,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/117/1909-11-13/p022"},{"locus":"GA 117/1909-11-13/p023","passage_number":23,"text":"Es ist ein Unterschied zwischen dem, etwas zu haben, und sich dessen bewußt zu sein, was man hat. Man kann sich daran sehr leicht das Verhältnis eines solchen nicht sehenden Geistesschülers zum hellsichtigen klarmachen. Denken Sie, Sie hätten eine Erbschaft gemacht, hätten aber noch nichts davon erfahren. Wenn dies der Fall wäre, wenn Sie die Erbschaft gemacht hätten, Ihnen aber noch nichts bekannt wäre, so hat sie auch schon heute den richtigen Wert für Sie. Sie können es erst später erfahren, daß Sie heute diese Erbschaft gemacht haben, Sie besitzen sie aber trotzdem. So ist es auch mit demjenigen, der durch die Anthroposophie Tatsachen der geistigen Welt erfährt. Er hat sie, wenn er sie vernünftigerweise begriffen hat, er besitzt sie und kann nun abwarten die Zeit, wo er sich ihrer bewußt wird. Das ist aber eben etwas, was durchaus nicht gleichbedeutend ist mit dem Besitz der Tatsachen. Insbesondere zeigt sich das nach dem Tode. Was nützt eigentlich - wenn wir dieses triviale Wort anwenden wollen, um uns die Sache zu verdeutlichen —, was nützt dem Menschen mehr nach dem Toode: wenn er ohne Gedanken visionär irgend etwas sieht, oder wenn er rein spirituelle Mitteilungen, ohne visionär zu schauen, empfängt?","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":199,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/117/1909-11-13/p023"}],"english":["GA 117/1909-11-13/p020","GA 117/1909-11-13/p021"],"method":"reader","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":361,"en_words":354,"ratio":0.98,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["reader"],"reader_german":["GA 117/1909-11-13/p022","GA 117/1909-11-13/p023"],"reader_part":true},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.07,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":9335,"original_word_count":8742,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"D. 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