{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 117/1909-12-04/p020","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"We have attempted here, this summer, to grasp Oriental wisdom from the standpoint of Western learning. We tried to be just towards Oriental wisdom, and truly presented it in such a way that it received its full rights. ( *The East in the Light of the West*, cloth, crown 8vo, pp. 222. 7s. 6d) One must strongly emphasise that in our time it is impossible for independent spiritual knowledge to decide through any special preference for either the Oriental or the Occidental view of the world. Whoever says according to his different temperament he prefers the nature, the laws of the world as existing in the Oriental or correspondingly in the Occidental view, has not yet a full understanding for what is here essential. One should not decide, *e.g.*, for the greater significance of, let us say, the Christ, as compared with what Oriental teaching recognises, because one inclines to the Christ through one's Occidental education or one's temperament. One is only fitted to answer the question “How is the Christ related to the Orient?” when from a personal standpoint the Christian is as indifferent to one as the Oriental. As long as one has preference for this or the other, so long is one unsuited to make a decision. One first begins to be objective when one lets the facts alone speak, when one heeds no reasons derived from personal opinion, but lets facts alone speak in this sphere.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"I. Group-soulness and Ego-hood.","site_heading":null,"date":"1909-12-04","location":null,"word_count":240,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/117/1909-12-04/p020","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"not_established","translator":null,"identified_edition":null,"book_title":"The Ego","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/The_Ego/19091204p01.html","evidence":null,"reason":"source_says_translator_unknown","note":"The source page itself says the translator is unknown. No translator is established for this lecture: nothing at the level of the lecture names one. Do not attribute this English to a translator, and do not borrow a credit from another lecture of the volume. 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Wir versuchten gerecht zu werden den orientalischen Weistümern und haben sie wahrhaftig in einer Weise hingestellt, daß sie zu ihrem vollen Rechte gekommen sind. Man muß streng betonen, daß es in unserer Zeit bei selbständiger geistiger Erkenntnis unmöglich ist, immer sich durch eine besondere Vorliebe für die orientalische oder für die okzidentalische Weltanschauung zu entscheiden. Wer da sagt je nach seinem verschiedenen Temperamente, er liebe mehr die Eigenartigkeit, die Gesetzmäßigkeit der Welt, so wie sie im orientalischen oder wie sie entsprechend im okzidentalischen vorhanden sind, der hat noch nicht das volle Verständnis für das, um was es sich eigentlich handelt. Nicht dadurch soll man sich entscheiden zum Beispiel für die größere Bedeutung, sagen wir des Christus gegenüber all demjenigen, was die orientalische Lehre erkennt, weil man nach seiner okzidentalischen Erziehung oder seinem Temperamente mehr hinneigt zum Christus. 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