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This is not always the case; but generally in the absence of pain, people will believe themselves to be healthy. We should be under a great delusion if we believed that the experience of pain goes always together with illness. Our liver may be damaged through and through, and if the damage is not such that the abdominal wall is affected, there will be no pain at all. We may carry a process of disease within us which in no way manifests itself through pain. This may be so in many instances. Objectively regarded these illnesses are the more serious, for if we experience pain we set to work to rid ourselves of it, but when we have no pain we do not greatly trouble to get rid of the disease.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"6. 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Aber umgekehrt besteht nicht jedes Kranksein darin, und daß Kranksein auch einen anderen Charakter haben kann, werden wir uns dadurch begreiflich machen können, daß keineswegs alles Kranksein von Schmerzen begleitet ist. Das beachten nur die meisten Menschen deshalb nicht, weil sie zumeist im Leben nicht anstreben, gesund zu sein, sondern sie streben an, schmerzlos zu sein, und wenn sie schmerzlos sind, halten sie das für gesund. Das ist nicht immer so; aber in sehr vielen Fällen wird der Mensch glauben, wenn er schmerzlos ist, sei er gesund. Wir würden uns einer gewaltigen Täuschung hingeben, wenn wir glauben wollten, daß Schmerzempfinden und Kranksein zusammenfällt. Es kann die Leber eines Menschen durch und durch beschädigt sein; wenn der Schaden nicht ein solcher ist, daß durch ihn zum Beispiel das Bauchfell affiziert wird, so tritt gar kein Schmerz auf. Eskann der Mensch einen Krankheitsprozeß in sich haben, der sich gar nicht in Schmerzen äußert. Das kann in vielen Fällen so sein. Vor einer objektiveren Betrachtung sind diese Erkrankungen sogar die schlimmeren. 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