{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 122/1910-08-22/p015","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"In our modern abstract way of looking at things everything gets mixed up. The seers of old could not confuse things in this way. They could not be content to see everywhere the same superficial forces as the modern physicist sees, who insists on embracing meteorology as well as physics within his sphere. For who today doubts that the same forces which are at work in elementary life—in the solid, the fluid and so on—are active too within the atmosphere, when water masses into cloud. I know quite well that the modern physicist cannot help assuming that, as physicist, he can aspire to be a meteorologist too, and that for him nothing makes sense unless he applies the same laws to the formation of the clouds around our earth as he applies to things on the earth. To the seer things are not so simple as that. As soon as things are traced back to their spiritual sources, the same thing is not seen everywhere. Different forces are at work when a gas condenses to liquid actually on earth, and when the gaseous, vaporous tendency in the environment of the earth forms watery cumuli. When the seer contemplates the way in which water arises in the atmosphere around us, he cannot say that it comes into being in the same way as on the ground; he cannot say that the water hovering above us comes into existence in the same way as the water which condenses in the soil, on the ground. For the truth is that the Beings who play their part in cloud formation are different from those who are at work in the formation of water on the earth. What I have just been saying as to the participation of the hierarchies in our elementary existence only applies on the earth from its centre point up to the surface where we ourselves are; the same forces do not extend as far as the formation of the clouds. There other Beings are at work. The scientific theory derived from modern physics is based on a very simple hypothesis. First it discovers certain physical laws, and then it says that these laws apply to the whole of existence. It overlooks all the differences in the different spheres of existence. It acts on the principle that in the night all cows are grey; but things are not the same everywhere, they are very different in different spheres!","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"6. Elementary Existence and the Spiritual Beings behind it. 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Das konnten die alten Seher nicht. Die hatten es nicht so bequem, überall dieselben trivialen Kräfte zu sehen, wie es etwa ein heutiger Physiker tut, der nicht nur Physiker, sondern zu gleicher Zeit zum Beispiel auch Meteorologe sein will. Wer wird denn nach heutigen physikalischen Begriffen daran zweifeln, daß dieselben Kräfte, die, sagen wir, in dem elementarischen Dasein wirken, in dem Festen, Flüssigen und so weiter, auch wirksam sind, wenn sich zum Beispiel innerhalb des Luftkreises die Wolken bilden, wenn sich das Wasser zu den Wolken ballt? Ich weiß ganz genau, daß der Physiker heute gar nicht anders denken kann, daß er als Physiker zu gleicher Zeit auch Meteorologe sein will und daß es für ihn nur einen Sinn hat, wenn er ganz dieselben Gesetze, die er für das Erdendasein in Betracht zieht, auch ausdehnt auf die Bildung der Wassermassen, die als Wolkenbildung unsere Erde umgeben. — Der Seher hat es nicht so bequem. Sobald man auf die geistigen Untergründe zurückgeht, kann man nicht überall dasselbe sehen. Andere geistige Wesenheiten sind da tätig, wenn, sagen wir, aus irgendeinem Gasigen unmittelbar auf dem Erdboden ein Flüssiges sich bildet oder wenn im Umkteise der Erde das Gasige, das Dampfförmige sich zum Flüssigen ballt. Wenn wir also auf das Entstehen des Wässerigen in unserem Luftkreis blicken, dann kann der Seher nicht sagen, das Wässerige entsteht da ganz auf dieselbe Art wie auf dem Erdboden, die schwebende Art entsteht auf dieselbe Art, wie sich Wasser dichtet in dem Erdengrunde selber, auf dem Erdboden selber. — Denn in Wirklichkeit sind andere Wesenheiten an der Wolkenbildung beteiligt als bei der Bildung des Wassers auf dem Erdboden. Das, was ich eben gesagt habe von der Teilnahme der Hierarchien an unserem elementarischen Dasein, das bezieht sich nur auf die Erde, vom Mittelpunkt bis herauf, wo wir selbst stehen, aber dieselben Kräfte reichen nicht aus, um zum Beispiel auch die Wolken zu bilden. Da sind andere Wesenheiten am Werke. Die Naturphilosophie, die sich aus der heutigen Physik bildet, geht nach einem sehr einfachen Grundsatz vor. Sie sucht zuerst einige physikalische Gesetze und sagt, die beherrschen nun alles Dasein. Und dann übersieht sie alles Verschiedene auf den verschiedenen Daseinsgebieten. 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