{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 123/1910-09-06/p007","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"It may be a matter for surprise that in Luke only seventy-seven generations or stages of existence are mentioned; and still more so that in the Gospel of Matthew only forty-two generations from Abraham to Christ are mentioned. Now it can be calculated that with the number of years usually reckoned to a generation, the forty-two could not extend over the period from Christ to Abraham, but it must be remembered that in earlier times, and noticeably in the patriarchal period before Solomon and David, the number of years reckoned to a generation was longer than in subsequent periods. In attempting to fix historical dates for any three generations like those of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the modern reckoning will not suffice; at least two hundred and fifteen years must be allowed for the three generations. This fact is corroborated by occult investigation. The generations were longest in the times from Adam to Abraham, subsequently they were also long, for great age is always ascribed to the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, at the time when they begat their heirs. If we are right to-day in reckoning thirty-three years to a generation, the writer of the Gospel of Matthew was correct in reckoning seventy-five to eighty years and even longer to a generation in ancient times. But it is important to note that in the Gospel of Matthew each generation back to Abraham refers to an individual, whereas the names given by Luke to the generations previous to Abraham do not refer to individuals. Here we must recall something that however true, is not easily believed by the materialistic conceptions of to-day.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Stages of downward penetration of divine nature into a human individuality","site_heading":"Divine Descent and the Two Jesus Children","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Das ist, daß ja immerhin nur siebenundsiebzig, sagen wir, Generationen oder Stufen des Daseins, Vererbungsstufen genannt werden. Schon beim Matthäus-Evangelium könnte es jemand auffällig finden, daß nur zweiundvierzig Generationen von Abraham bis auf Christus genannt werden, und er könnte nachrechnen, daß die Zahl der Jahre, die man gewöhnlich für eine Generation annimmt, nicht ausreichen würde bis zu Abraham hinauf. Wer das sagen würde, müßte aber berücksichtigen, daß früher mit Recht für die alten Zeiten, für die Patriarchenzeiten von Salomo und David aufwärts, längere Zeiten angenommen wurden für die Dauer einer Generation als später. Wenn wir nur einigermaßen selbst mit den historischen Daten fertig werden wollen, dürfen wir nicht bei drei Generationen - zum Beispiel Abraham, Isaak und Jakob - das rechnen, was jetzt der Durchschnitt für drei Generationen ergeben würde, sondern wir müssen für diese drei Generationen etwa zweihundertfünfzehn Jahre festsetzen. Das ergibt auch die okkulte Forschung. Die Tatsache, daß für jene alten Zeiten die Dauer einer Generation länger anzusetzen ist als heute, ergibt sich noch deutlicher für die Generationen von Adam bis auf Abraham herunter. Bei der Generationenfolge von Abraham abwärts kann schon jeder sich klarmachen, daß die einzelne Generation länger angesetzt worden ist; denn es wird immer schon ein hohes Alter den Patriarchen Abraham, Isaak und Jakob zugeschrieben, wenn sie einen Sohn bekommen, der ein Erbsohn ist. Und rechnet man gewöhnlich heute dreiunddreißig Jahre für eine Generation, so rechneten mit Recht diejenigen, die das Matthäus-Evangelium schrieben, in den alten Zeiten fünfundsiebzig bis achtzig und eine noch längere Anzahl von Jahren auf eine Generation. Aber wir haben zu betonen, daß im Matthäus-Evangelium bis zu Abraham gemeint sind einzelne Menschen. Nicht mehr aber sind einzelne Menschen gemeint, wenn wir von Abraham heraufgehen und diejenigen Namen in Betracht ziehen, die das Lukas-Evangelium anführt. Da müssen wir durchaus an etwas erinnern, was richtig ist, wenn es vielleicht auch für die heutigen materialistischen Vorstellungen der Menschen unglaublich erscheint.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":327,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/123/1910-09-06/p005"}],"english":["GA 123/1910-09-06/p007"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":327,"en_words":272,"ratio":0.83,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":0.9,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":5403,"original_word_count":5980,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"not_established","translator":null,"identified_edition":"RSPC1946","book_title":"The Gospel of St. Matthew (1946)","publisher":"Rudolf Steiner Publishing Co.","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA123/English/RSPC1946/19100906p01.html","evidence":null,"reason":"source_says_translator_unknown","note":"The source page itself says the translator is unknown. 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