{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 123/1910-09-06/p031","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Thus we have two sets of parents, each named Joseph and Mary.[^1] And there were two children, each named Jesus; the one we read of in the Gospel of Matthew is the Jesus of the Solomon line of the house of David; the other spoken of in the Gospel of Luke is the Jesus of the Nathan line, and is the son of quite other parents. The two boys grew up near to each other until their twelfth year. You can find this in the Gospels. What is related there is quite correct, but as long as it was undesirable for people to experience the truth, or as long as people did not desire the truth, it was withheld. The Gospels speak the truth we have but to learn to understand them aright.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Stages of downward penetration of divine nature into a human individuality","site_heading":"Divine Descent and the Two Jesus Children","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Das Evangelium spricht überall richtig. Und so lange man nicht wollte, daß die Leute die Wahrheit erführen, oder die Leute die Wahrheit nicht hören wollten, hat man ihnen auch die Evangelien vorenthalten. 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