{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 123/1910-09-08/p010","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"At a certain moment in life, a distinct ego-feeling dawns in our everyday consciousness. This has often been described, and you find the moment described in my book, *Theosophy*. It is the moment when a human being first addresses himself as ‘I.’ This is something an animal cannot do. If an animal were to look into its own inner nature as a man does, it would find not an individual ego, but a group ego. In the old initiations this ego-feeling was, to a certain extent, suppressed. When a man ascended into the spiritual world his feeling of self was clouded. In the light of these lectures it can be seen that it was well this should be so, for egoism, passions, all that tends to separate man from man in the external world, are connected with the ego-feeling. To prevent these passions and emotions from reaching an excessive strength, suppression of the ego-feeling was necessary. During ancient initiation therefore, not exactly a dream-consciousness, but a *suppressed condition* of the ego-feeling occurred. More and more effort had to be directed towards making a man capable of initiation while maintaining *full consciousness of the ego*—the ego-consciousness he had in waking life. The ancient practices were to cease. This change could only be achieved in the course of time by slow and gradual stages, but already to-day in all rightly constituted initiations, the point has been reached where the ego-feeling to a high degree is not extinguished when a man rises up into higher worlds.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"The bringing forth of the secrets of the Mysteries","site_heading":"Christ's Temptation and the Ego in the Kingdom","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Denn mit dieser Hilfe war ein Anderes, Wesentliches verbunden. Wir haben in unserem alltäglichen Bewußtsein ein ganz deutliches Ich-Gefühl, das in einer bestimmten Stunde unseres Daseins erwacht. Darüber wurde schon öfter gesprochen, und Sie finden auch in meiner «Theosophie» den Zeitpunkt charakterisiert, wo der Mensch dazu kommt, sich als ein Ich anzusprechen. Das ist etwas, was das Tier nicht kann. Wenn das Tier in sein Inneres schauen würde wie der Mensch, so würde es nicht ein individuelles Ich, sondern ein Gattungs-Ich, ein Gruppen-Ich finden: es würde sich zugehörig fühlen zu einer ganzen Gruppe. Dieses Ich-Gefühl erlosch in einer gewissen Weise bei den alten Einweihungen. Während der Mensch also in die geistigen Welten hineinstieg, trübte sich sein Ich-Gefühl, und wenn Sie alles zusammennehmen, was ich gesagt habe, werden Sie es begreiflich finden, daß es gut war. Denn das Ich-Gefühl ist es ja, mit dem sich alle die Egoismen, Leidenschaften und so weiter verbinden, die den Menschen absondern wollen von der äußeren Welt. Wollte man nicht die Leidenschaften, die Emotionen bis zu einer gewissen Stärke treiben, so mußte das Ich-Gefühl unterdrückt werden. Es war daher zwar nicht ein Traumbewußtsein, aber doch ein Zustand herabgedrückten Ich-Gefühls bei den Einweihungen in den alten Mysterien vorhanden. Immer mehr und mehr sollte aber darnach gestrebt werden, daß der Mensch fähig werde, die Initiation durchzumachen unter völliger Aufrechterhaltung seines Ich, desjenigen Ich, das der Mensch im Wachbewußtsein vom Aufwachen bis zum Einschlafen mit sich trägt. Jene Trübung des Ich, wie sie in den alten Mysterien immer mit der Initiation verbunden war, sollte aufhören. Das ist etwas, was ja überhaupt im Laufe der Zeit nur langsam und allmählich erreicht werden kann, was aber heute schon in einem wesentlich höheren Grade in allen zu Recht bestehenden Initiationen erreicht wird: daß das Ich-Gefühl bis zu einem hohen Grade nicht erlischt, wenn der Mensch sich hinauflebt in die höheren Welten.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":335,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/123/1910-09-08/p008"}],"english":["GA 123/1910-09-08/p009","GA 123/1910-09-08/p010"],"method":"length","confidence":"medium","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":335,"en_words":291,"ratio":0.87,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":0.89,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":6080,"original_word_count":6832,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"not_established","translator":null,"identified_edition":"RSPC1946","book_title":"The Gospel of St. Matthew (1946)","publisher":"Rudolf Steiner Publishing Co.","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA123/English/RSPC1946/19100908p01.html","evidence":null,"reason":"source_says_translator_unknown","note":"The source page itself says the translator is unknown. 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