{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 124/1911-01-16/p033","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"This was not how people thought in a past not so very far distant. Scholars and researchers to-day do not, however, know that in earlier times not only was men's thinking different but the content and implications of the words and designations used were different. Hence interpretations of ancient legends do not convey their real meaning. We are told, for instance, of Orpheus, a Greek singer. I refer to him because he belongs to the period several centuries before the rise of Christianity. We may think of him as the one responsible for the organisation of the Greek Mysteries. This fourth post-Atlantean epoch of which he was an important figure in the opening stage, was a preparation for the Christ Event and what humanity was to receive through it. 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Wording differs between translations, so a quotation found in one need not occur in the other."},"german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1911-01-16","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 124/1911-01-16/p029","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/124/1911-01-16/p029"}],"bead_confidence":"high","pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false,"length_check":{"de_words":495,"en_words":481,"ratio":0.97,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. The German original passage(s) above are the edition-invariant anchor — fetch them (lang='de') to verify wording before quoting across editions."},"paired_german":{"status":"paired","german":[{"locus":"GA 124/1911-01-16/p029","passage_number":29,"text":"So dachten die Menschen eines noch gar nicht weit zurückliegenden Zeitalters nicht. Aber weil die Wissenschafter und Forscher der Gegenwart nicht wissen, daß die Menschen früher anders dachten und in ihren Worten und Bezeichnungen ganz anderes darinnen hatten, kommen sie auch zu ganz anderen Auslegungen der alten Mitteilungen. Da wird uns zum Beispiel berichtet von einem griechischen Sänger, Orpheus. Ich erwähne ihn deshalb, weil er in einer gewissen Weise dem Zeitalter angehört, das dem christlichen unmittelbar voranging. Orpheus war der, welcher die griechischen Mysterien eingerichtet hat. Der griechische Zeitraum ist der vierte innerhalb unserer nachatlantischen Kultur, so daß gleichsam durch die Kultur des Orpheus vorbereitet wurde, was der Menschheit später durch das Christus-Ereignis gegeben worden ist. Für Griechenland ist also Orpheus dieser große Vorbereiter. Was würde nun ein moderner Mensch sagen, wenn ihm solch ein Mensch entgegentreten würde, wie Orpheus es war? Er würde sagen: Es ist der Sohn dieses Vaters und der Sohn jener Mutter -, ja die moderne Wissenschaft wird vielleicht sogar nach den vererbten Merkmalen forschen. Es gibt heute schon ein dickes Buch, das die sämtlichen vererbten Merkmale aus den Goetheschen Familien zeigt und so Goethe summieren möchte aus den vererbten Merkmalen. So hat man zur Zeit des Orpheus nicht gedacht, hat nicht als das Wesentliche den äußeren fleischlichen Menschen und dessen Eigenschaften angesehen, sondern man hat als das Wesentliche in Orpheus dasjenige angesehen, wodurch er der Inaugurator, der eigentliche Führer der vorchristlichen griechischen Kultur hat werden können, und man war sich klar, daß das, was als physisches Gehirn, als Nervensystem in ihm lebte, nicht das Wesentliche ist. Als wesentlich betrachtete man vielmehr, daß er in sich trug ein Element - in dem, was er erlebte —, das unmittelbar aus den übersinnlichen Welten herstammte und das sich dann durch ihn auf dem Schauplatz, der durch seine Persönlichkeit gegeben war, traf mit einem sinnlich-physischen Element. Der Grieche sah in der Persönlichkeit des Orpheus nicht das Fleischliche, das abstammt von Vater und Mutter, vielleicht auch von Großvater und Großmutter; das war ihm ziemlich unwesentlich, das war ihm nur der äußere Ausdruck, die Schale. Das Wesentliche war ihm, was abstammte von einem Übersinnlichen und zusammentraf mit einem Sinnlichen auf dem physischen Plan. Daher sagte sich der Grieche: Wenn ich den Orpheus vor mir habe, kommt das kaum in Betracht, daß er von einem Vater und einer Mutter abstammt; aber das kommt in Betracht, daß sein Seelenhaftes, wodurch er etwas geworden ist, abstammt von einem Übersinnlichen, das nie mit dem physischen Plan etwas zu tun gehabt hat, und daß auf dieses Übersinnliche in seiner Persönlichkeit durch das, was die Menschen schon damals waren, ein Sinnlich-Physisches einwirken und sich mit diesem Übersinnlichen verbinden konnte. Und weil die Griechen in Orpheus als Wesentliches ein rein übersinnliches Element sahen, deshalb sagten sie von ihm: er stammt ab von einer Muse. Er war der Sohn einer Muse, Kalliope; er war nicht etwa bloß der Sohn einer fleischlichen Mutter, sondern eines übersinnlichen Elementes, das nie einen Zusammenhang hatte mit dem Sinnlichen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":495,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/124/1911-01-16/p029"}],"english":["GA 124/1911-01-16/p033","GA 124/1911-01-16/p034"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":495,"en_words":481,"ratio":0.97,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":0.95,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":6274,"original_word_count":6604,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"E. H. Goddard and Dorothy S. 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