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This does not pass over into his conscious life and therefore in his essential being man is torn to pieces and killed by life on the physical plane which in the real sense begins at the point of which we have been speaking.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":83,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/124/1911-01-16/p041","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1911-01-16","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 124/1911-01-16/p035","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/124/1911-01-16/p035"}],"bead_confidence":"high","pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false,"length_check":{"de_words":383,"en_words":400,"ratio":1.04,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. 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Here is a concept which you must grasp—the concept of the Son of Man who can be found in a human being onwards from the point in his life to which his later memory extends, and includes everything he has acquired from the civilisation around him. Keep this ‘man’ in your mind, and then picture to yourselves what he might become if there were added to him all that presses in upon him from the Macrocosm in the first three years of his childhood. This could be a foundation only, because at that stage the developed human ‘I’ is not yet present. But if it did merge into the consciousness of a developed ‘I’, we should witness a happening comparable with what took place at the Baptism in the Jordan at the moment when the Spirit descended from above into Jesus of Nazareth: the three innocent years of early childhood merged with the rest of the human being. That is the immediate fact. 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If you think of all this you will get an idea of the meaning of the words spoken in connection with the event portrayed as the descent of the Dove: ‘This is my beloved Son; this day have I begotten him.’ That means: Here the Christ is incarnated, begotten, in Jesus of Nazareth, born in him at the moment of the Baptism by John. In the Christ there was present, in its highest form, the consciousness otherwise belonging only to the early years of childhood; now, mingling with it, there was feeling of oneness with the Cosmos which a child would feel if it could be fully aware of its experiences during the first three years. 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Nor were they any more compatible in Christ Jesus Himself; after those three years, death was bound to supervene and to occur in the circumstances as they actually were in Palestine. These circumstances were not matters of chance but came about because these two lived within each other: the Son of God (which is man from the moment of his birth until the development of the Ego-consciousness) and the Son of Man (which is what he is after Ego-consciousness has been attained). 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Und so wie der Mensch seiner eigentlichen Wesenheit nach ist, wird er aufgezehrt, getötet von dem Leben des physischen Planes, das eigentlich erst mit dem genannten Zeitraum beginnt. — Fassen Sie jetzt diesen Menschen ins Auge, der sozusagen der Mensch des physischen Planes ist, der sich im heutigen normalen Bewußtsein zurückerinnert bis zu einem bestimmten Zeitpunkt; vor diesem liegen drei Jahre der Kindheit. Dieser Mensch mit dem Faden der Erinnerung ist so verstrickt mit dem physischen Plan, daß es Orpheus seiner eigentlichen Wesenheit nach nicht in ihm aushalten kann, sondern zerrissen wird. Das ist der eigentliche Menschengeist der heutigen Zeit, derjenige Menschengeist, der uns zeigt, wie der Mensch am tiefsten mit der Materie verstrickt sein kann. Das ist der Geist, der im Sinne des paulinischen Christentums der Menschensohn genannt wird. Das müssen Sie sich einmal als einen Begriff aneignen: der Menschensohn, der sich im Menschen findet von dem Zeitpunkt ab, bis zu dem sich der Mensch heute zurückerinnert, mit alledem, was sich der Mensch von der Kultur aneignen kann. Fassen Sie diesen Menschen ins Auge, und denken Sie sich nun alles, was der Mensch sein könnte durch den Zusammenhang mit dem Makrokosmos, wenn hinzukäme, was in den ersten Kindheitsjahren hereindringt vom Makrokosmos. In den ersten Kindheitsjahren kann es nichts anderes sein als eine Grundlage, weil das entwickelte menschliche Ich noch nicht da ist. Wenn es aber in das entwickelte menschliche Ich hereinfiele, dann würde geschehen, was zuerst geschehen ist in dem Augenblick, als dem Jesus von Nazareth der Geist von oben herunterkam durch die Jordan-Taufe: Die drei unschuldigen Kindheits-Entwickelungsstadien mischten sich mit dem übrigen Menschentum zusammen. Das ist das Nächste. Und was war die Folge davon? Die Folge war, daß dieses unschuldige Kindheitsleben, als es sich entwickeln wollte auf der physischen Erde, sich nur drei Jahre entwickeln konnte - wie es sich überall nur drei Jahre entwickelt — und dann auf Golgatha sein Ende fand, das heißt, sich nicht vermischen konnte mit dem, was der Mensch wird in dem Zeitpunkt, bis zu dem er sich dann normalerweise zurückerinnert.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":383,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/124/1911-01-16/p035"},{"locus":"GA 124/1911-01-16/p036","passage_number":36,"text":"Wenn Sie dies durchdenken: was es bedeuten würde, wenn sich herein mischte in einen Menschen all der Zusammenhang mit dem Makrokosmos, der dumpf und dämmerhaft in den ersten Kindheitsjahren aufkommt, der aber, weil das Kind noch nicht das Ich-Bewußtsein hat, noch nicht wirklich leuchten kann; und wenn Sie weiter denken, wie, wenn er aufdämmerte im späteren Bewußtsein, etwas sich bilden würde, etwas hereinfiele in uns, was nicht aus dem Menschen in uns stammt, sondern aus der ganzen Weltentiefe, aus der wir herausgeboren werden - dann haben Sie die Interpretation der Worte, die da gesprochen worden sind in bezug auf das, was dargestellt ist in dem Herunterkommen der Taube: «Dies ist mein vielgeliebter Sohn; heute habe ich ihn gezeuget!» Das heißt, es ist hier der Christus in dem Jesus von Nazareth inkarniert worden, «gezeuget» worden, der Christus, der in der Tat geboren wurde in den Jesus von Nazareth in dem Augenblick der Johannes-Taufe und der auf der Höhe jenes Bewußtseins stand, das sonst die Menschen nur in den ersten Kindheitsjahren haben, aber mit allem kosmischen Zusammengehörigkeitsgefühl, welches das Kind haben müßte, wenn es wissen würde, was es fühlt in den ersten drei Jahren. Dann würden allerdings auch jene Worte eine ganz andere Bedeutung bekommen: «Ich und der Vater» - der kosmische Vater — «sind eins.»","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":214,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/124/1911-01-16/p036"},{"locus":"GA 124/1911-01-16/p037","passage_number":37,"text":"Wenn Sie dies auf Ihre Seele wirken lassen, dann werden Sie ein wenig von dem nachfühlen, was sozusagen als ein erstes Grundelement in der Offenbarung von Damaskus für Paulus eingetreten ist, und was in dem schönen Worte zum Ausdruck kommt: «Wenn ihr nicht werdet wie die Kindlein, könnt ihr nicht in die Reiche der Himmel kommen!» Dieses Wort hat eine vielfache Bedeutung, aber auch diese. Paulus sagte: «Nicht ich, sondern der Christus in mir!» das heißt die Wesenheit, die ein solches makrokosmisches Bewußtsein hat, wie es das Kind haben würde, wenn es das Bewußtsein der ersten drei Jahre durchdringen könnte mit dem Bewußtsein der späteren Zeit. Beim heutigen normalen Menschen sind diese beiden Arten getrennt, müssen getrennt sein; denn sie würden sich sonst nicht vertragen können. Sie haben sich auch nicht im Christus Jesus vertragen. Denn nach jenen drei Jahren mußte notwendigerweise der Tod eintreten, und zwar unter den Verhältnissen, wie sie sich in Palästina abgespielt haben. Nicht zufällig haben sie sich so dargestellt, sondern durch das Ineinanderleben dieser zwei Faktoren: des Gottessohnes, der der Mensch ist von dem Zeitpunkt der Geburt bis zur Entwickelung des Ich-Bewußtseins, und des Menschensohnes, der der Mensch ist nach dem Zeitpunkt der Erringung des Ich-Bewußtseins. 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