{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 125/1910-08-26/p027","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"In 1856, a Hegelian, Karl Rosenkranz, spoke out against this lecture. He brought to bear all the weapons he could muster from the arsenal of Hegelian philosophy. And anyone who knows Karl Rosenkranz, the sincere, one might say warmly sincere Hegelian, a little better, knows that Karl Rosenkranz is not to be taken as lightly as one very often wants to take him. He brought up everything he could muster from the arsenal of the Hegelian school. So we have the other current there, namely the one that took place in the line of thought. This ran in this direction, as I wanted to show. What physical thinking has come to can be seen in Helmholtz; where philosophical thinking has arrived, in Rosenkranz. There we see that important objections are raised against the mechanical theory of heat. Rosenkranz criticizes Helmholtz for thinking only in terms of analogies. His law must be abstracted from the processes that take place in a clock, a windbox or other things. It is true for the steam engine that some of the living forces that we evoke are lost to the environment and cannot be brought back. As long as we start from such processes, I might say from all sides provided with finite surroundings, so long we cannot avoid the conclusion that such results are achieved as Helmholtz achieved in his treatise on the mechanical theory of heat. Karl Rosenkranz rightly points out that it does not follow that as soon as we go beyond the immediate conditions on earth, there would be no possibility that the heat radiated into space would have to be lost in the same way as with the steam engine. Completely different facts could be present. Today I cannot go into what spiritual science has to say when it comes to the theory of heat. That is where the safe ground lies, which I was able to characterize in the lectures I have now given on the biblical creation story. The Hegelian remained barren because he could not find the transition to this ground. So warmth remained for him nothing more than an inner tremor. Nevertheless, with the concepts that are simply given when one thinks in the strictly disciplined way of so-called finite mechanics, which only applies to the immediate environment, with all its formulas, including the formulas","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"VI. The Present State of Philosophy and Science","site_heading":null,"date":"1910-08-26","location":null,"word_count":390,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/125/1910-08-26/p027","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Paths and Goals of Spiritual Man","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA125/English/SOL2024/19100826p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Wozu das physikalische Denken gekommen ist, kann bei Helmholtz gezeigt werden; wohin das philosophische Denken gelangt ist, bei Rosenkranz. Da sehen wir, daß wichtige Einwendungen gegen die mechanische Wärmetheorie gemacht werden. Rosenkranz rügt, daß Helmholtz eigentlich nur nach Analogien denke. Sein Gesetz müsse man abstrahieren von den Prozessen, die sich an der Uhr, an der Windbüchse oder an anderen Dingen vollziehen. Es ist richtig für die Dampfmaschine, daß von lebendigen Kräften, die wir hervorrufen, etwas an die Umgebung verlorengeht, was nicht wieder zurückgebracht werden kann. Solange wir von solchen, ich möchte sagen, von allen Seiten mit endlichen Umgebungen versehenen Vorgängen ausgehen, so lange ist bei dem, was wir da gewinnen, nicht fernzuhalten, daß solche Resultate erzielt werden, wie sie Helmholtz erzielt hat in seiner Abhandlung über die mechanische Wärmetheorie. Da weist dann Karl Rosenkranz mit Recht darauf hin, wie es durchaus nicht folgt, sobald wir über die unmittelbaren Erdenverhältnisse hinausgehen, daß keine Möglichkeit vorhanden wäre, daß die in den Weltenraum hinauserstrahlte Wärme in derselben Weise verlorengehen müßte wie bei der Dampfmaschine. Ganz andere Tatbestände könnten da vorliegen. Ich kann heute nicht eingehen auf das, was die Geisteswissenschaft zu sagen hat, wo sie auf die Wärmetheorie zu sprechen kommt. Da erst liegt jener sichere Boden, den ich Ihnen charakterisieren konnte in den Vorträgen, die ich jetzt über die biblische Schöpfungsgeschichte gehalten habe. Der Hegelianer blieb unfruchtbar, weil er den Übergang zu diesem Boden nicht finden konnte. So blieb ihm die Wärme auch nichts anderes als ein innerer Erzitterer. 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