{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 125/1910-08-26/p028","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"— all these formulas apply to our immediate circumstances —, with these concepts he turns to absolute mechanics. In the ascent of his scientific system, Hegel has gone through the process from so-called finite mechanics to absolute mechanics, which he applies to the movement of the heavenly bodies. The formulas change so much that the formulas obtained from the steam engine, from our ordinary thermal conditions in the Helmholtz sense, simply cannot be applied to processes that involve larger spatial entities. But to even grasp such a thought, to grasp the possibility that one can ascend from a finite mechanics to an absolute one, requires an internally self-directing logic, which was precisely what 19th-century philosophy and Karl Rosenkranz lacked. For, despite all his objections, there is a strong and constant suggestion to which he is also subject, and which emanates from the overwhelming natural scientific conceptions of the 19th century. They suppress much thinking. To pierce through these natural scientific conceptions, one really needs self-directing thinking. I could easily prove that the correct understanding of the law of the so-called conservation of matter, which plays such a great role, is only possible if one knows the inner structure of thinking. I could show that this law, as it exists in physics today, is nothing more than a projection into space of one's own laws of thinking, whereby thinking still works with blunt weapons. Here we see what we know today in the field of spiritual science: that in higher spheres what appears to us objectively is what is within ourselves — I am not even talking about the conservation of energy — that in a broader sense what I myself have now stated with regard to the conservation of matter still applies. Thus we see how, through the suggestion of scientific findings, in contrast to which one should remain on purely factual ground, in this field the human element of thinking has proved dull, because philosophy was not in a position to pierce the cover that is formed not from scientific fact-finding, but from the interpretation of the facts that have been researched. Spiritual science is fully grounded in the facts of natural science. I would consider it one of the greatest shortcomings of spiritual science if it did not want to go hand in hand with genuine research into the facts of natural science. But the interpretation of the facts is something else. When natural scientists tell us what they have established in the laboratory as facts, then we must gratefully accept their findings. We are then accepting the utterances of nature itself, and to deny them would be to succumb to nonsense. If we do not surrender to them, then we show that we have no sense of truth. But if we were to take the so-called monistic considerations and let them impose themselves as facts, then we would be taking the opinions of men as facts. This happens, however, because the opinions of men have insidiously, I might say, crept into popular literature, but no one is to blame for this but fanatics. For twenty cents we can get not only scientific facts handed down to us, but also the opinions that appear as if they were facts, underlined in such a way that if a person does not believe in them, he does not believe in the scientific results. But one can hold on to the latter and still say that the interpretations are nothing more than interpretations made by blunt thinking weapons.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"VI. The Present State of Philosophy and Science","site_heading":null,"date":"1910-08-26","location":null,"word_count":587,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/125/1910-08-26/p028","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Paths and Goals of Spiritual Man","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA125/English/SOL2024/19100826p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Aber um solch einen Gedanken schon einzusehen, die Möglichkeit einzusehen, daß man von einer endlichen Mechanik zu einer absoluten aufsteigen kann, dazu gehört eine innerlich sich selbst dirigierende Logik, die eben der Philosophie des 19. Jahrhunderts und auch Karl Rosenkranz fehlte. Denn durch seine ganzen Einwendungen hindurch geht die immerwährende starke Suggestion, der er auch hingegeben ist, welche ausgeht von den überwältigenden naturwissenschaftlichen Vorstellungen des 19. Jahrhunderts. Die kriegen vieles Denken unter. — Dazu gehört wirklich sich selbst dirigierendes Denken, wenn man durch diese naturwissenschaftlichen Anschauungen durchstechen will. Ich könnte leicht nachweisen, daß bis in das Gesetz von der sogenannten Erhaltung der Materie hinein, das eine so große Rolle spielt, das Richtige nur bekannt werden kann, wenn man das innere Gefüge des Denkens kennt. Ich könnte den Nachweis führen, daß dieses Gesetz, wie es heute in der Physik vorhanden ist, nichts anderes ist als ein Hinausprojizieren von eigenen Denkgesetzen in den Raum, wobei das Denken noch dazu mit stumpfen Waffen arbeitet. Wir sehen hier dasjenige, was wir auf geisteswissenschaftlichem Gebiete heute kennen: daß in höheren Gebieten objektiv uns erscheint, was in uns selbst ist - ich will gar nicht sprechen von der Erhaltung der Kraft -, daß in weiterem Sinn noch gilt, was ich selber jetzt angeführt habe in bezug auf die Erhaltung der Materie. So sehen wir, wie durch die Suggestion der naturwissenschaftlichen Feststellungen, denen gegenüber man auf rein tatsächlichem Boden bleiben sollte, auf diesem Gebiete das denkerische Element des Menschen sich stumpf erwiesen hat, weil die Philosophie nicht in der Lage war, die Decke zu durchstechen, die gebildet wird nicht aus der naturwissenschaftlichen Tatsachenforschung, sondern aus der Auslegung der erforschten Tatsachen. Geisteswissenschaft steht voll auf dem Boden der naturwissenschaftlichen Tatsachen. Ich würde es als einen der größten Mängel der Geisteswissenschaft ansehen, wenn sie nicht Hand in Hand gehen wollte mit einer wirklichen naturwissenschaftlichen Tatsachenforschung. Aber etwas anderes ist die Auslegung der erforschten Tatsachen. Wenn uns die Naturforscher das erzählen, was sie im Laboratorium zustande bringen an Tatsachenobjekten, dann müssen wir dankbar ihre Feststellungen entgegennehmen, dann nehmen wir die Aussprüche der Natur selber entgegen, und leugnen wir sie, dann sind wir in einem Unsinn befangen. Geben wir uns ihnen nicht hin, dann zeigen wir, daß wir keinen Wahrheitssinn haben. Wollten wir aber auch die sogenannten monistischen Erwägungen nehmen und uns aufdrängen lassen, daß das Tatsachen sind, dann würden wir die Meinungen der Menschen als Tatsachen nehmen. Das geschieht aber dadurch, daß sich die Meinungen der Menschen tückisch, möchte ich sagen — aber keinen trifft die Schuld als Fanatiker -, in die populäre Literatur eingeschlichen haben. Wir können um eine Mark zwanzig nicht nur naturwissenschaftliche Tatsachen überliefert erhalten, sondern auch die Meinungen, die so auftreten, als wenn sie Tatsachen wären, die sozusagen so unterstrichen sind, daß, wenn der Mensch nicht an sie glaubt, er nicht an die naturwissenschaftlichen Ergebnisse glaubt. Man kann aber an letzteren festhalten und trotzdem sagen, daß die Auslegungen nichts anderes sind als Interpretationen, von stumpfen Denkerwaffen vorgenommen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":573,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/125/1910-08-26/p028"}],"english":["GA 125/1910-08-26/p028"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":573,"en_words":587,"ratio":1.02,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","anchors","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.04,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":7932,"original_word_count":7595,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Paths and Goals of Spiritual Man","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA125/English/SOL2024/19100826p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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