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Then Lucifer directs him to something else in him that is immortal, not subject to death. Therein lies the temptation. But when man comes to consider and observe that which is immortal in him, when he contemplates that which shakes off the external form after it has broken up into the three parts of which we have discovered it to be composed, then man sees himself and sees at what cost Lucifer has made him immortal. For man, when he looks back upon himself, discovers he is no longer man. Threefold man, as we have described him, has always been expressed in occult symbolism in certain pictures. These pictures, these Imaginations, have throughout the ages had something to say to man. Very few, however, have understood their wonderful significance. The upper man, as man sees him when he turns back to look upon himself, is different in different people. The picture that presents itself here is also more or less transient. It gives nevertheless an approximate idea of the impression man experiences. There is no longer a human countenance; the countenance is suggestive of a bull, or else of a lion. Experiences in the super-sensible world have often a quite grotesque appearance; and it transpires that, although not always, yet generally speaking, a woman who looks back in this way perceives herself more like a lion, a man more like a bull. There is no getting away from it, it is really so! 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Many a man might be ready to make up his mind to be a bull, a lion or an eagle as a price for immortality. That is, however, only the upper man. The continuation down below is a wild, savage dragon. Here you have the source of all the numerous sagas and stories of the dragon. Traditional religious symbolism has always given man the four pictures,—Man, Lion, Bull, Eagle; but it has given no more than indications, as, e.g., in the account of the Fall, that a wild Dragon also belongs to man. The dragon, however, has its place in the totality of man, it is to be found there; and man has to say to himself: Lucifer is indeed able to promise you immortality—it is a sure and well-founded promise—but only at the cost of your form and figure, so that you go on living in the form you have become under the influence of Lucifer. And now we can see how it has come about that we have received such an inner form; it is because of the influence of Lucifer in Earth evolution. We perceive also that this Earth evolution has under the influence of Lucifer given to man super-sensible gifts one after another. Wisdom and everything connected with wisdom comes to man by many and manifold paths from Lucifer. Lucifer can show man, when he meets him, how much man really owes to him. 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We can hold to what is mortal and destructible in us and comes from the Gods, the opponents of Lucifer; or we can choose immortality and along with it the degradation of the human form.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":129,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/137/1912-06-10/p022","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1912-06-10","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 137/1912-06-10/p019","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/137/1912-06-10/p019"}],"bead_confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false,"length_check":{"de_words":142,"en_words":129,"ratio":0.91,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. 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But this is what we must do if we would make practical progress in occultism, and a time will come when we find, as it were, ground for our feet.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":145,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/137/1912-06-10/p023","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1912-06-10","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 137/1912-06-10/p020","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/137/1912-06-10/p020"}],"bead_confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false,"length_check":{"de_words":149,"en_words":145,"ratio":0.97,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. 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Everything he achieves in life is seen now to be destructible, impermanent. Lucifer promises something eternal. But not to that either can man hold. A moment comes, however, when there is one thing of which he can take firm hold; it is not anything of the present, but a *memory* that can remain with him from ordinary life on Earth. This memory must stay with him like a thought out of Earth life, and intermingle in the meeting with death and Lucifer It streams over from Earth life, and is suddenly there, this memory, this thought, which alone can give man support and stay. But it is singularly feeble, and great energy is required to hold it. This one and only thing in life which man can recall as something sure and certain is the thought of Self, of “ I.” It is the thought: Over there I have been a Self. There is, as we said, extreme difficulty in holding this thought. Many of you will know how difficult it is to bring over a dream from the other state of consciousness into the present moment. And it can happen all too easily that when man has entered the super-sensible world, this “ I” thought is like a dream that he has had in the Earth world and does not remember. Like a forgotten dream is this “ I ” thought, when he has come into the other consciousness; and the difficulty of holding it has even increased for man in the course of evolution. 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Es handelt sich darum, daß er die menschliche Gestalt überhaupt fixiert, das heißt, daß mit aller Lebendigkeit eine Imagination, ein Bild in ihm hervorgerufen ist durch die menschliche Gestalt. Das kann so sein, daß der okkultistische Aspirant das äußere Bild der menschlichen Gestalt zum Ausgangspunkte nimmt. Es kann aber auch so sein, daß er das innere Körpergefühl, das Sich-Fühlen in der Gestalt zum Ausgangspunkte nimmt. Wenn es nun dem Okkultisten gelingt, dieser menschlichen Gestalt gegenüber zuletzt etwas Ähnliches zu empfinden wie eine Art von Nachbild — also wenn der Mensch, nachdem er zuerst die in der physischen Welt erfahrene menschliche Gestalt aufgefaßt hat und dann sie so verklingen läßt in sich, wie ein Nachbild verklingt, wie in dem Falle, von dem ich vorhin gesprochen habe -, und zu warten, bis dieses Nachbild der menschlichen Gestalt vorüber ist, dann bekommt der Okkultist dasjenige Bild der menschlichen Gestalt, das jetzt kein Nachbild der physischen Gestalt mehr ist, sondern im ätherischen Leibe erlebt wird. Dieses Nachbild wird also im ätherischen Leibe erlebt. Sie sehen, es handelt sich für den okkultistischen Aspiranten darum, sich selber zu erleben im ätherischen Leibe. Wenn es nun der okkultistische Aspirant dahin gebracht hat, sich so im ätherischen Leibe zu erleben, dann ist dieses Erleben kein Kinderspiel, denn es zerfällt sofort in zwei Erlebnisse. Es bleibt nicht einheitlich. Und diese zwei Erlebnisse müssen ausgesprochen werden durch zwei Worte: Man erlebt erstens den Tod und zweitens Luzifer.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":280,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/137/1912-06-10/p010"},{"locus":"GA 137/1912-06-10/p011","passage_number":11,"text":"Da es sich nicht um Sinneserlebnisse handelt, sondern um wesentlich höhere Erlebnisse, so ist es natürlich nicht ganz leicht — gerade weil die Worte zumeist aus der sinnlichen Welt genommen sind und deshalb auch die Wortbedeutung an die Sinneswelt erinnert -, diese Erlebnisse zu beschreiben; denn es wird in der Tat als inneres Erlebnis mehr erlebt denn als äußeres, und wenn man Worte gebraucht, so ist das mehr dazu bestimmt, eine Vorstellung, ein Bild hervorzurufen von dem, was man da eigentlich erlebt.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":82,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/137/1912-06-10/p011"},{"locus":"GA 137/1912-06-10/p012","passage_number":12,"text":"Den Tod zu erleben, ist ungefähr so, daß man weiß: Die menschliche Gestalt, die man eben ins Auge gefaßt hat und von der man ausgegangen ist, hat keinen Bestand außerhalb des Erdendaseins. Die ist gebunden an das Erdendasein. Wer hinauskommen will über das Erdendasein, wer überhaupt rechnen will mit einem übersinnlichen Leben, der muß sich darüber klar sein, daß diese menschliche Gestalt nur auf der Erde als solcher erlebt werden kann, daß sie zerbrechen muß mit dem Tod, zerbrechen muß in dem Augenblicke, wo der Mensch über das Erdendasein hinauskommt. Im Ätherleibe kann sich die menschliche Gestalt nicht anders zeigen denn als todbegabt.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":103,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/137/1912-06-10/p012"},{"locus":"GA 137/1912-06-10/p013","passage_number":13,"text":"Das muß der erste Eindruck sein, und es ist hier schon eine Klippe für den okkultistischen Aspiranten; denn der Eindruck, den die zerbrochene menschliche Gestalt macht, ist ein außerordentlich tiefgehender. Es ist für viele, die okkultistisch aspiriert haben, tatsächlich so gewesen, daß sie den Eindruck nicht haben überwinden können und sich gesagt haben: Weiter zu gehen, hindert mich meine Furcht vor dem, was da noch nachkommen mag. — Notwendig ist es, daß man den Tod sieht, aus dem ganz einfachen Grunde, weil man erst dann die volle Gewißheit hat: Im Erdenleib drinnen ist es unmöglich, die höhere Welt zu erleben. Man muß aus ihm heraus, man muß ihn verlassen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":109,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/137/1912-06-10/p013"},{"locus":"GA 137/1912-06-10/p014","passage_number":14,"text":"Das ist wiederum der nächste Eindruck. Es ist damit nicht gesagt, daß absolut im Erdenleibe die höhere Welt nicht erlebt werden könne. Aber zunächst ist gar nichts anderes möglich für den okkultistischen Aspiranten als das, was eben jetzt beschrieben worden ist. Das wäre das, was man bezeichnet mit den Worten: Man erfährt den Luzifer. Luzifer ist eigentlich zunächst da, um einen auf etwas aufmerksam zu machen, was außerordentlich verführerisch ist. Wenn man in Worte kleiden soll, was man erfährt dadurch, daß man die Bekanntschaft macht mit Luzifer, so kann das in der folgenden Weise geschehen. Luzifer macht einen auf die Zerbrechlichkeit der menschlichen Gestalt aufmerksam, indem er gleichsam sagt: Sieh dir nur einmal diese menschliche Gestalt an, zerbrochen ist sie; eine zerbrechliche Gestalt haben dir die Götter gegeben, die meine Feinde sind. — Das ist es ungefähr, was Luzifer einem mitteilt, und damit macht er einen darauf aufmerksam, daß die höheren Götter in die Notwendigkeit versetzt waren, den Menschen in dieser Gestalt zerbrechlich zu machen; daß sie gar nicht anders konnten, durch Verhältnisse, die wir noch besprechen werden, als die menschliche Gestalt zerbrechlich zu machen. Und dann zeigt Luzifer auch das, was er aus dem Menschen hat machen wollen, was geworden wäre aus dem Menschen, wenn er allein, unbeeinflußt durch seine Gegner, mit dem Menschen hätte hantieren können.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":218,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/137/1912-06-10/p014"},{"locus":"GA 137/1912-06-10/p015","passage_number":15,"text":"Das, wodurch Luzifer dem Menschen zeigt, was der Mensch geworden wäre, wenn er, Luzifer, allein hätte hantieren können, hat zunächst wiederum etwas außerordentlich Verführerisches, denn der Mensch wird von Luzifer etwa so darauf hingewiesen, daß ihm Luzifer sagt: Nun sieh dich einmal um, sieh einmal zu, was von dir zurückgeblieben ist, nachdem die menschliche Gestalt zerbrochen ist. — Wenn die menschliche Gestalt zerbrochen ist, wenn sich der Mensch dann sozusagen geistig umdreht und sich sozusagen geistig gehäutet sieht, wenn die Gestalt von ihm weggenommen ist, dann sieht der Mensch zweierlei. Erstens, daß das, was zurückgeblieben ist, in der Tat taugt für die übersinnliche Welt, daß es in gewisser Beziehung geistig verwandt ist mit dem Übersinnlichen, daß es in gewisser Beziehung unsterblich ist, während der Leib sterblich ist. Das ist ein starkes Argument, ein starker Verführungsgrund, den Luzifer in der Hand hat. Zunächst wird der Mensch hingewiesen auf das Ebenbild Gottes, das er hat, das aber zerbrechlich und an die Erde gebunden ist. Durch Lu-zifer wird ihm dasjenige gewiesen, was in ihm unsterblich ist. Dies ist die Versuchung, der verführerische Eindruck. Aber wenn sich der Mensch das betrachtet, was unsterblich ist, wenn der Mensch das ins Auge faßt, was die äußere Gestalt wegschafft, nachdem sie in ihre drei Teile zerbrochen ist, aus welchen wir sie zusammengesetzt gefunden haben, da sieht der Mensch sich selbst, sieht, auf wessen Kosten Luzifer den Menschen unsterblich gemacht hat. Da ist der Mensch kein Mensch mehr, wenn er auf sich selbst zurückblickt, da ist der Mensch wirklich kein Mensch mehr. Was der Mensch ist als oberer Mensch, wie wir ihn vom dreigliedrigen Menschen aus charakterisiert haben, das hat die okkultistische Symbolik immer in gewisse Bilder gebracht. Diese Bilder haben durch die Zeiten hindurch den Menschen etwas sagen sollen. Die wenigsten Menschen haben diese bedeutungsvollen Imaginationen und Bilder verstanden. Der obere Mensch, zu dem der Mensch blicken kann, wenn er sich selber besieht, ist verschieden, nicht für alle Menschen gleich. Es ist auch nur ein mehr oder weniger wandelbares Bild, was ihn da anspricht. Aber es gibt das Bild eine ungefähre Vorstellung von dem, was der Mensch als Impression erlebt. Der Mensch hat kein menschliches Antlitz mehr, er ist mehr stier- oder löwenähnlich. Es stellt sich so heraus, obzwar es nicht durchaus zutrifft — es sieht sich manchmal grotesk an, was in der übersinnlichen Welt erlebt wird -, daß die Frau, wenn sie so zurückblickt, mehr als Löwe, der Mann mehr als Stier sich empfindet. Das muß eben überstanden werden, denn es ist einmal so. In Verbindung mit diesen beiden Bildern, die ineinandergehen, da der Mann nicht ganz löwenentblößt, die Frau nicht ganz stierentblößt ist, denn sie verschwimmen ineinander, ist gleichsam ineinanderfließend das Bild eines Vogels, das man immer «Adler» genannt hat und das dazugehört.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":458,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/137/1912-06-10/p015"},{"locus":"GA 137/1912-06-10/p016","passage_number":16,"text":"Das alles wäre noch nicht das Schlimmste. Mancher könnte sich noch entschließen, zugunsten der Unsterblichkeit ein Stier, ein Löwe oder ein Adler zu sein. Das ist aber nur der obere Mensch. Die weitere Fortsetzung nach unten ist ein wilder Drache, ein wilder Wurm. Das ist dasjenige, was zu den Drachensagen immer die Veranlassung gegeben hat. Die religiöse Symbolik hat den Menschen zwar immer überliefert die vier Bilder, das, was man nur zerbrochen noch findet in der übersinnlichen Welt, nämlich den Menschen, den Löwen, den Stier und den Adler, und sie hat nur angedeutet in der Weise, wie Sie diese Andeutungen im Sündenfalle finden, daß zu dem Menschen noch ein wilder Wurm gehört. Er gehört aber durchaus zu der Gesamtheit des Menschen, wie er sich da findet.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":126,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/137/1912-06-10/p016"},{"locus":"GA 137/1912-06-10/p017","passage_number":17,"text":"Und jetzt ist es, wo der Mensch sich sagen muß: Zwar kann dir Luzifer die Unsterblichkeit versprechen — das ist voll begründet -, aber nur auf Kosten der Form, der Gestalt, so daß du in der Form, wie du da geworden bist unter seinem Einflusse, unsterblich fortlebst. — Jetzt merkt man, daß man gerade im Laufe der Erdenentwickelung erst zu einer solchen innerlichen Gestalt geworden ist, deshalb so geworden ist, weil Luzifer gewirkt hat im Laufe der Erdenentwickelung. Jetzt merkt man, daß diese Erdenentwickelung unter dem Einflusse von Luzifer Übersinnliches über Übersinnliches dem Menschen gegeben hat. Denn Weisheit und alles Mögliche, was an die Weisheit sich anschließt, stammt vielfach von Luzifer; und Luzifer kann bei der Begegnung mit ihm darauf hinweisen, wieviel man eigentlich ihm verdankt. Aber alles das, was jetzt charakterisiert worden ist, steht denn doch damit in Verbindung.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":140,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/137/1912-06-10/p017"},{"locus":"GA 137/1912-06-10/p018","passage_number":18,"text":"Es muß daher die Frage entstehen: Gibt es denn gar nichts Tröstliches innerhalb dieser Selbsterkenntnis? — Denn schließlich ist diese Selbsterkenntnis wirklich nicht tröstlich, wenn sich durch diesen Anblick nur charakterisieren läßt, daß der Mensch zum Tiere erniedrigt ist. Dieses Tier ist verdreifacht und gehört nicht zu den höheren Tieren, sondern ist bis in jene Tierheit erniedrigt, die sich auf der Erde im Bilde eines Amphibiums befindet. Tröstlich ist dieser Anblick wahrhaftig nicht.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":73,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/137/1912-06-10/p018"},{"locus":"GA 137/1912-06-10/p019","passage_number":19,"text":"Das alles, was ich Ihnen jetzt erzählt habe, ist es, wovon ich gesagt habe, daß es ein außerordentlich rasch vorüberhuschender Eindruck ist. Man muß viel Geistesgegenwart haben, um den Eindruck überhaupt aufzufassen, um ihn sozusagen zu schauen. Er geht sehr rasch vorbei. Das ist das Nachteilige, wenn man von der menschlichen Gestalt ausgeht, daß die Menschen nicht so viel Geistesgegenwart haben, um zu erfassen den Tod und Luzifer, und dann sich noch selbst beschauen, indem sie sich umdrehen — das Umdrehen meine ich natürlich geistig. Tröstlich ist nichts an dem, was man da sieht, denn schließlich hat man nur eine zweifache Wahl. Man hat die Wahl, sich an das Sterbliche, Zerbrechliche, das von den Göttern, von den Gegnern Luzifers herrührt, zu halten, oder man hat die Wahl zur Unsterblichkeit, und dann ist die Beigabe zu dieser Unsterblichkeit eine Herabwürdigung der menschlichen Gestalt.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":142,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/137/1912-06-10/p019"},{"locus":"GA 137/1912-06-10/p020","passage_number":20,"text":"Die Gegenwart all dieser Dinge, der Eindruck derselben, ist wahrhaft kein tröstlicher; er ist zunächst ein ungeheuer herabstimmender, ein ungeheuer fataler und furchtbarer Eindruck. Daher kommt es, daß ein großer Teil der Aufgabe des okkultistischen Lehrers darin besteht, die Menschen darauf aufmerksam zu machen, daß sie nun, wenn sie einen solchen Eindruck haben, ja, wenn sie überhaupt die ersten übersinnlichen Eindrücke haben, nicht allzuviel darauf geben sollen, aus dem einfachen Grunde, weil diese ersten Eindrücke, gleichgültig ob sie freudevoller oder leidvoller Art sind, niemals als maßgebend betrachtet werden dürfen. Das Richtige ist, recht geduldig abzuwarten. Man wird vielleicht, wenn man das beschriebene Seelenexperiment ausführt, mehrmals einen recht hoffnungslosen Eindruck haben, und man braucht dann Mut, um ihn immer wieder und wieder hervorzurufen. Wenn man aber im Okkultismus praktisch vorwärtsschreiten will, dann muß man das, und es kommt dann schon einmal der Augenblick, wo man sich an etwas halten kann.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":149,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/137/1912-06-10/p020"},{"locus":"GA 137/1912-06-10/p021","passage_number":21,"text":"An das, was die Gegenwart darbietet, kann man sich nicht halten, denn alles, was man im Leben gewonnen hat, zeigt sich, weil dieser Leib selber zerbrechlich ist, als ein Zerbrechliches, als ein Vergängliches. Das Ewige verspricht einem Luzifer. Daran kann man sich auch nicht halten. Aber es kommt der Moment, wo man sich an eines halten kann, wenn auch nicht an das Gegenwärtige: an eine Erinnerung, die einem bleiben kann aus dem gewöhnlichen Erdenleben. Diese Erinnerung muß einem wie ein Gedanke aus dem Erdenleben bleiben und muß sich hinüberergießen in diese Begegnung mit dem Tode und Luzifer. Sie ergießt sich hinüber, sie kommt einmal, sie tritt einmal ein, diese Erinnerung, dieser Gedanke, welcher einem der einzige Halt sein kann. Aber dieser Gedanke ist ein außerordentlich, man möchte sagen, schwacher Gedanke. Deshalb ist auch eine starke Energie notwendig, um diese Erinnerung, diesen Gedanken zu haben. Das einzige, woran man sich als an ein Sicheres erinneren kann, ist der Ich-Gedanke, der Gedanke: Du bist ein Selbst gewesen da drüben. — Aber dieser Gedanke ist außerordentlich schwierig zu halten. Es werden manche Menschen wissen, daß es schon außerordentlich schwierig ist, einen Traum aus dem anderen Bewußtseinszustand in den gegenwärtigen hereinzubringen. Den Ich-Gedanken herüberzutragen aus der Erdenwelt in das Bewußtsein, in das man eingetreten ist, ist ungeheuer schwer, und es geschieht doch nur zu leicht, daß dieser Ich-Gedanke, wenn man die übersinnliche Welt betreten hat, wie ein Traum ist, den man gehabt hat in der Erdenwelt und an den man sich nicht erinnert. Wie ein vergessener Traum ist dieser Ich-Gedanke, wenn man in das andere Bewußtsein eintritt.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":263,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/137/1912-06-10/p021"},{"locus":"GA 137/1912-06-10/p022","passage_number":22,"text":"Und in dieser Beziehung ist es mit der Menschheit auf der Erde im Laufe der Erdenentwickelung schlechter geworden. Während es in den uralten Zeiten, in sehr weit zurückliegenden Zeiten, verhältnismäßig leicht war, das Ich-Bild vom Diesseits in das Jenseits hinüberzutragen, ist es im Laufe der Menschheitsentwickelung immer schwieriger und schwieriger geworden.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":51,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/137/1912-06-10/p022"}],"beads":[{"from":[11,12,13],"to":[10],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[14],"to":[11],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[15],"to":[12],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[16],"to":[13],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[17,18],"to":[14],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"verified"},{"from":[19],"to":[15],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[20],"to":[16,17],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"verified"},{"from":[21],"to":[18],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[22],"to":[19],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[23],"to":[20],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[24],"to":[21,22],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"}],"note":"Paired by the paragraph aligner; each language numbers its own paragraphs. 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