{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 137/1912-06-10/p013","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"You see, for the pupil in occultism it is a question of experiencing himself in the ether body. And when the pupil has come to the point of experiencing himself in this way in the ether body, then this experience is indeed a profound one! It falls at once into two distinct experiences. It does not remain whole and single. And these two experiences have to be expressed by two words. We have to say that the pupil experiences first, death and second, *Lucifer*.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture VIII","site_heading":"Death, Lucifer, and the I-Thought in Occult Development","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Wenn es nun dem Okkultisten gelingt, dieser menschlichen Gestalt gegenüber zuletzt etwas Ähnliches zu empfinden wie eine Art von Nachbild — also wenn der Mensch, nachdem er zuerst die in der physischen Welt erfahrene menschliche Gestalt aufgefaßt hat und dann sie so verklingen läßt in sich, wie ein Nachbild verklingt, wie in dem Falle, von dem ich vorhin gesprochen habe -, und zu warten, bis dieses Nachbild der menschlichen Gestalt vorüber ist, dann bekommt der Okkultist dasjenige Bild der menschlichen Gestalt, das jetzt kein Nachbild der physischen Gestalt mehr ist, sondern im ätherischen Leibe erlebt wird. Dieses Nachbild wird also im ätherischen Leibe erlebt. Sie sehen, es handelt sich für den okkultistischen Aspiranten darum, sich selber zu erleben im ätherischen Leibe. Wenn es nun der okkultistische Aspirant dahin gebracht hat, sich so im ätherischen Leibe zu erleben, dann ist dieses Erleben kein Kinderspiel, denn es zerfällt sofort in zwei Erlebnisse. 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