{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 137/1912-06-10/p034","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"What on the other hand should we expect to be told concerning any other initiated person? We must be shown how he advanced step by step on the path of knowledge. In the case of higher initiates we may expect to be told of how they brought a great deal with them from earlier incarnations and perhaps only needed still to pass through the very last stage. We find nothing of all this with the Christ. We have the story of the Temptation, and that is all. What we find in the Christ is that He was permeated through and through in the very highest degree with Divine Self-consciousness. This marks the opening scene of the three-year life of Christ. And then we have before us this wonderful picture,—the picture of highly exalted divine revelations proceeding directly and immediately from One who is Earth Man. In the case of any other initiated person we have to tell how he first attained to this or that stage of initiation and was then able to make this or that revelation. With Christ Jesus on the other hand it all wells up freely in Him from the very beginning, and we are not told that in the course of the three years of His life this or that stage of initiation was passed. If anyone were to treat the description of the Death and Resurrection of Christ Jesus as though they were such stages, it would only demonstrate his failure to perceive the fact that the Resurrection took place by virtue of the power that was already there in the living Christ. The Resurrection is not an act of initiation. Christ Jesus was not awakened to life by some other initiate but by the Divine Power that comes from beyond the Earth, the Power that was communicated to Him through the Baptism. The Resurrection was given at the time of the Baptism, it was already *there* in that moment; whereas the act which in the case of other initiated persons is called “Resurrection” has to be brought about by the deeds and instructions of an elder initiate.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture VIII","site_heading":"Death, Lucifer, and the I-Thought in Occult Development","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Da muß uns gezeigt werden, wie er stufenweise den Pfad der Erkenntnis hinaufgeschritten ist. Bei höheren Initiierten kann erzählt werden, daß sie viele Vorbedingungen aus ihren früheren Inkarnationen mitgebracht und nur die letzte Stufe noch durchzumachen hatten. Nichts von alledem finden wir bei Christus. Die Versuchungsgeschichte, wie schon angedeutet, das ist alles. Was bei ihm vorliegt, ist ein höchstes Durchdrungensein mit dem göttlichen Selbstbewußtsein. Das bildet den Eingang des Christus-Lebens der drei Jahre. Dann haben wir vor uns in diesem Christus Jesus ein merkwürdiges Bild: Wir haben vor uns etwas, was sozusagen aus dem unmittelbaren Erdenmenschen heraus die höchste göttliche Offenbarung tut. Bei einem anderen Initiierten müssen wir erzählen: Diese oder jene Stufe hatte er überschritten, dann konnte er diese oder jene Offenbarung tun. — Bei dem Christus Jesus aber sprudelt das alles von Anfang an heraus, und es wird uns nicht erzählt für die drei Jahre des Christus Jesus-Lebens, er hätte diese oder jene Stufe überschritten. Und wenn man etwa gar die Beschreibung des Todes und der Auferstehung des Christus Jesus als solche Stufen betrachten wollte, so würde man damit zeigen, daß man sich nicht klar darüber ist, daß durch die Kraft, welche schon in dem lebenden Christus war, die Auferstehung geschehen ist; daß das nicht ein Initiationsakt ist, daß der Christus Jesus nicht auferweckt worden ist durch einen anderen Initiierten, sondern durch die göttliche Kraft, welche von außerhalb der Erde herstammt, durch die Kraft, die ihm mitgeteilt worden ist durch die Johannes-Taufe. Damit war schon die Auferstehung gegeben bei dem Christus, wogegen der Akt, den man bei anderen Initiierten Auferstehung nennen kann, durch die Taten und Aufschlüsse eines älteren Initiierten geschehen mußte.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":283,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/137/1912-06-10/p032"}],"english":["GA 137/1912-06-10/p034"],"method":"length","confidence":"medium","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":283,"en_words":354,"ratio":1.25,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.06,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":6432,"original_word_count":6044,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"not_established","translator":null,"identified_edition":"RSP1964","book_title":"Man in the Light of Occultism, Theosophy and Philosophy","publisher":"Rudolf Steiner Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA137/English/RSP1964/19120610p01.html","evidence":null,"reason":"source_says_translator_unknown","note":"The source page itself says the translator is unknown. 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