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It is not good to neglect this. It really amounts to this, that you will best learn to find your way in higher worlds if, among the first memory pictures you carry across there, which remind you of your sensory existence, you do not have the image of your own physical body and of its form. It is indeed a matter of experience that this is so. Anyone who has to give advice as to the exercises to be undertaken in order to bring about the first steps of initiation will see to it that, after crossing the threshold, after passing the Guardian of the Threshold, the first memory images have nothing to do with the perception of the physical bodily form. They are essentially such as can be included under the heading of a morally intellectual perception of the self. What you should first experience is how to estimate your own moral qualities. You should perceive what moral or immoral tendencies you have, what sense of truthfulness, or superficial feeling, and also realise how to assess your value as a man of soul.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":211,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/138/1912-08-29/p006","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Gilbert Church","identified_edition":"AP1980","book_title":"Initiation, Eternity and the Passing Moment","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA138/English/AP1980/19120829p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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When you enter the spiritual world, experience is far more intimately bound up with you than anything of the kind in sensory existence. When you have done something that does not satisfy you morally, your entire inner life feels that there is something bitter, that there is something as it were poured out into the world to which you have now accustomed yourself, that fills it with an aroma of bitterness—but aroma should not here be understood in the physical sense. You feel yourself soaked through with this aroma of bitterness. What can be morally justified is filled with a pleasant aroma. One might say that the sphere you enter when you are not satisfied with what you have done, is dark and gloomy, but light and clear is the part of the universe into which you come when you can be at peace with yourself. Therefore, if you are to find your way about, this should be the kind of moral or intellectual valuation to which you should submit yourself, that, like the atmosphere, fills for you the world into which you are entering. So it is best to feel this world with your soul, and after having made yourself familiar with this feeling of the soul for spiritual space, only then should the memory arise that may have the very form and shape of your physical bodily form in sensory life, as long as this form comes before you like an interpenetration into your newly acquired moral atmosphere.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":279,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/138/1912-08-29/p007","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Gilbert Church","identified_edition":"AP1980","book_title":"Initiation, Eternity and the Passing Moment","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA138/English/AP1980/19120829p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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In the ordinary experience as soon as a man falls asleep he becomes unconscious, regaining his consciousness on re-awaking, and in his life during the day, except for remembrance of his dreams, he has no memory of his sleeping life. He lives through sleep in a state of unconsciousness. Now in the first stage of initiation it may also happen that something else is extended over man's sleeping life so that he begins to experience another way of falling asleep. With the approach of sleeping life another kind of consciousness is then experienced. This lasts, interrupted more or less by periods of unconsciousness, for various lengths of time according to the progress the man has made. Then, as morning approaches it dies away. During this experience, in the first period after falling asleep, there arises what can be called a memory of one's moral attitude, of one's qualities of soul. 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Then one rises into the actual worlds of the hierarchies and feels oneself to belong there. But this living within the world in which all is being, must, as compared with ordinary life in the world of the senses, be described somewhat as follows. Suppose that someone in the sensory world is standing before a pot of flowers and looking at it. The plant is outside, external to him; he observes it as he stands there looking at it. Now the experience in the higher world of which we have just been speaking, can in no way be compared with this kind of observation. It would be quite wrong to imagine that there one went about looking at the beings thus, from outside, placing oneself before them, as one would observe a flowerpot in the world of the senses. It is not so. If you would compare anything in sensory existence with the way in which you stand as regards the world of the hierarchies, it could only be in the following manner. This, of course, will be only a comparison, but it may help you to have a clear idea.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":217,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/138/1912-08-29/p009","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Gilbert Church","identified_edition":"AP1980","book_title":"Initiation, Eternity and the Passing Moment","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA138/English/AP1980/19120829p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. The translator IS verified for this lecture: its own source names the translator (evidence: the lecture's page, rsarchive's lecture list, or the cover of the book it was published in), and that page's text was matched against this unit (see match_score and source_url). 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It may occupy your soul so completely that it altogether fills it; you feel you can no longer distinguish the thought from yourself and that you are entirely one with the thought that thus suddenly arises. If you have the feeling that this is a living thought, it draws your soul with it, your soul is bound up with the thought, and it might just as well be said that the thought is in your soul as that your soul is in the thought, then you have something in sense life similar to the way in which you get to know the beings of the higher hierarchies and the way you behave toward them. The words, “I am beside them, I am outside them,” lose all meaning. You are *with* them, just as your thoughts live with you. Not that you might say, “The thoughts live in me.” You have rather to say, “A thought thinks itself in me.” The beings experience themselves, and you experience the experience of the beings. You are within them; you are one with them, so that your whole being is poured out into the sphere in which they live. You share their life, all the time knowing quite well that they, too, are experiencing themselves in this. No one must imagine that after the first steps on the path of initiation he will immediately have the feeling of experiencing all that these beings experience. Throughout he need know nothing beyond his being in their presence, as in sensory existence he might be confronted by somebody he was meeting for the first time. The expression, “The beings live and experience themselves within you,” is justified, yet you need know nothing more of them to begin with than you would know of a man on first acquaintance. In this way, therefore, it is a co-experience. 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Alles ist Wesen, was einem begegnet, wozu man auf die Weise, wie es gestern angedeutet worden ist, geführt wird. Überall wo etwas ist, ist Wesen, und man kann nicht sagen wie im Sinnensein: Dort ist ein Tier und dort sind äußere Stoffe, die von ihm gegessen werden. - Diese Zweiheit gibt es dort nicht, sondern was ist, ist Wesen. Und wie man sich zu diesen Wesen zu stellen hat, habe ich auch schon gesagt: daß es hauptsächlich die Welt der Hierarchien ist, die wir von anderen Gesichtspunkten aus öfter charakterisiert haben. In ihrer Stufenfolge lernt man die Welt der Hierarchien kennen, von denjenigen Wesenheiten an, die man zunächst kennenlernt als die Angeloi und Archangeloi, Engel und Erzengel, wie sie in unserer Terminologie genannt werden, bis zu den Wesenheiten, die einem fast zu entschwinden scheinen, so undeutlich werden sie, den Cherubim und Seraphim. Aber es ist eines möglich, wenn man sich in diesen Welten befindet: eine Beziehung zu diesen Wesenheiten zu gewinnen. Was man im Sinnensein ist, das muß man vorher zurücklassen im Sinne der gestrigen Auseinandersetzungen; aber wie ich Ihnen gesagt habe, man behält es doch zurück in der Erinnerung. Man trägt die Erinnerung an das Abgelebte in diese Welten hinein, und wie man im Sinnensein auf die Erinnerungen zurücksieht, so blickt man auf das, was man im Sinnensein ist, von der höheren Welt aus zurück, man hat es in der Erinnerungsvorstellung.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":274,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/138/1912-08-29/p004"},{"locus":"GA 138/1912-08-29/p008","passage_number":8,"text":"Nehmen Sie an, Sie setzen sich irgendwo nieder und nehmen sich vor, nicht über dieses oder jenes mühevoll nachzudenken, sondern Sie wollen zunächst eigentlich über gar nichts Besonderes denken. Wie unhervorgerufen erhebe sich in Ihnen irgendein Gedanke, an den Sie zunächst nicht gedacht haben. Er nimmt Ihre Seele so in Anspruch, daß er sie erfüllt, so daß Sie zu dem Gefühl kommen können: Sie können diesen Gedanken gar nicht mehr unterscheiden von sich selbst, Sie seien ganz eins mit dem Gedanken, der da aufgetaucht ist. Wenn Sie das Gefühl haben, der Gedanke lebt und zieht Ihre Seele mit sich, die ist mit ihm verbunden; und man könnte ebensogut sagen, der Gedanke ist in der Seele wie die Seele im Gedanken -, so ist das etwas Ähnliches im Sinnensein, wie man sich bekannt macht und benimmt mit den Wesenheiten der höheren Hierarchien. Die Worte «man ist neben ihnen, man ist außer ihnen» verlieren allen Sinn. Man ist zit ihnen, wie die Gedanken mit einem leben, aber nicht so, daß man sagen kann: die Gedanken leben in einem -, sondern, daß man sagen muß: der Gedanke denkt sich in einem. - Sie erleben sich, und man erlebt das Erleben der Wesenheiten mit. Man ist drinnen in den Wesenheiten, man ist eins mit ihnen, so daß man sein ganzes Wesen in der Sphäre, in der die Wesenheiten leben, ausgegossen hat und man ihr Sein miterlebt, indem man ganz genau weiß, sie erleben sich darinnen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":241,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/138/1912-08-29/p008"},{"locus":"GA 138/1912-08-29/p009","passage_number":9,"text":"Es darf niemand glauben, daß er gleich nach den ersten Schritten auf dem Wege zur Initiation das Gefühl habe, er erlebe alles, was diese Wesenheiten erleben. Er braucht durchaus nicht mehr zu wissen als, er ist diesen Wesenheiten gegenüber, wie er im Sinnensein einem Menschen gegenüber ist, den er zum ersten Male sieht. Die Berechtigung des Ausdruckes «die Wesenheiten erleben sich in einem», bleibt bestehen, und doch braucht man auf die erste Bekanntschaft hin nicht mehr zu wissen, als man bei einem Menschen weiß, dem man zum ersten Male begegnet. In dieser Art also ist es ein Miterleben. Das wird immer intensiver und intensiver, und dadurch dringt man auch immer mehr und mehr in das Wesen dieser Wesenheiten ein.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":119,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/138/1912-08-29/p009"}],"beads":[{"from":[5],"to":[4],"confidence":"high","pairing_state":"verified"},{"from":[10],"to":[8,9],"confidence":"high","pairing_state":"verified"}],"note":"Paired by the paragraph aligner; each language numbers its own paragraphs. A bead at either end of the span can carry text beyond it (the `from` numbers show what each bead covers).","uncovered":[6,7,8,9]}}