{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 138/1912-08-29/p020","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Yes, when the conceptions of the life of the senses are applied to these things one is fully justified in thinking them strange. But we must not let this impede us. That would imply that we do not wish to accept a real description of the higher worlds. If that is really what we want on setting foot in them, all ordinary descriptions of the world of the senses, and everything else besides, must be abandoned. I beg you to look upon this feeling I have just pictured as an experience that one has in oneself and for oneself, and it is important that one should experience this in oneself and for oneself, because that belongs to the first stages on the path to initiation. This feeling may arise in two ways. In one way it may be expressed by saying, “I have a longing for what is transitory, for existence concentrated in time; I do not wish to be poured out into eternity.” If you have this feeling in the spiritual world (I ask you to consider this well) you do not necessarily bring it back with you into the world of the senses. On the contrary, it need not be present there at all when you return; it may only be in the spiritual world. You may say you have this feeling in the spiritual world—chat you would like to experience yourself right within time, you would like to be concentrated in independence at some point of world existence. You would like to do this so completely that you could say, “Why should I bother about eternity that extends itself out in the rest of the universe! I want to make this something independent for myself, and to live in that.”","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture V","site_heading":"Experiencing the Spiritual World: Consciousness Beyond the Physical Body","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Aber man darf sich an diesen Paradoxien nicht stoßen, denn das würde bedeuten, daß man sich nicht einlassen will auf die reale Beschreibung der höheren Welten, bei deren Betreten man nicht nur alles übrige, sondern auch die gewöhnlichen Beschreibungen der Sinneswelt aufgeben muß, wenn man diese höheren Welten in ihrer Wirklichkeit beschreiben will.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":70,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/138/1912-08-29/p016"},{"locus":"GA 138/1912-08-29/p017","passage_number":17,"text":"Dieses Gefühl, das ich Ihnen geschildert habe, das Sie bitte betrachten wollen als ein Erlebnis, das man in sich selber und an sich selber hat - und es ist wichtig, daß man dieses Erleben in sich selber und an sich selber hat, denn das gehört zu den ersten Schritten auf dem Wege der Initiation -, kann in zweifacher Weise auftreten. Einmal kann dieses Gefühl so auftreten, daß man das, was man erlebt, so ausdrücken müßte: Ich habe eine Sehnsucht nach der Vergänglichkeit, nach dem Sein, zusammengedrängt in der Zeit, ich möchte nicht ausgegossen sein in die Ewigkeit. Dieses Gefühl, bitte das wohl zu beachten, hat man in der geistigen Welt, also nicht etwa im Sinnensein, sondern es braucht, wenn man wieder zurückkommt in die Sinneswelt, gar nicht dazusein, es ist nur da in der geistigen Welt. So kann man sagen, man habe in der geistigen Welt das Gefühl: du möchtest so recht hinein dich erleben in die Zeitlichkeit, möchtest so recht konzentriert sein in Selbständigkeit an einem Punkt des Weltenseins, und möchtest das so vollenden, daß du sagen kannst: Ach, was ist an aller Ewigkeit gelegen, die sich sonst im Universum ausdehnt, ich will mir dieses eine Selbständige sichern, da drinnen will ich sein!","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":204,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/138/1912-08-29/p017"}],"english":["GA 138/1912-08-29/p020"],"method":"reader","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":274,"en_words":293,"ratio":1.07,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["reader"],"reader_german":["GA 138/1912-08-29/p016","GA 138/1912-08-29/p017"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.04,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":7376,"original_word_count":7084,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Gilbert Church","identified_edition":"AP1980","book_title":"Initiation, Eternity and the Passing Moment","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA138/English/AP1980/19120829p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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