{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 139/1912-09-21/p010","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"From the picture that has been given you of the prophets you have seen that the prophetic spirit, and what was given by this prophetic spirit to the ancient Hebrew people, differed from the spirit of initiation prevalent among other peoples. These other peoples had their initiates, who were initiated in the manner we have just described. This was not the case with the ancient Hebrew people. With them it was not a question of initiation of the same kind as among the other peoples. Here we have to do with an elemental emergence of the spirit within the bodies of those who appeared as prophets; something resembling “geniuses of spirituality” appeared. To enable this to happen we see that in the middle prophetic period souls appear in the ancient Hebrew people who in earlier incarnations had been initiates among the other peoples, so that they experience everything they give to the ancient Hebrew people as a memory of what they themselves had received in their initiation. For this reason spiritual life did not shine into the ancient Hebrew people in the same way as it did into other peoples. In the case of these other peoples it occurred through an act, through initiation, whereas in the case of the Old Testament people it came by virtue of the gifts that had been implanted in those who worked actively as prophets among the people. Through the activity of their prophets the Hebrew people were made ready to experience that unique initiation which was no longer that of a human individuality but of a cosmic individuality, if, indeed one may speak of an initiation at all in this case, which is no longer correct. Through this the Hebrew people were prepared to receive something that was to take the place of the old initiation: they were made ready to view the Mystery of Golgotha in the right way. But one consequence of this was that the apostles, who belonged to the Old Testament people, had at first no understanding of the words that characterize initiation. Christ Jesus spoke about initiation when He expressed himself in such terms as hastening toward death, remaining in the grave for three days and being raised from the dead. This is a description of initiation. If He had described it in a different way they would have understood Him. But because such a way of speaking of initiation was foreign to the Old Testament people the Twelve could not at first understand His description. So it is quite correctly pointed out to us that the disciples were astonished and did not know to what He was referring when He spoke of the suffering and death and raising of the Son of Man.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture VII","site_heading":"Christ's Inner Monologue and the Mystery of Golgotha","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Und damit das sein kann, sehen wir, daß bei den mittleren Propheten diejenigen Seelen im althebräischen Volke auftreten, die in den früheren Inkarnationen Initiierte bei den anderen Völkern waren, damit sie das, was sie dem althebräischen Volke geben, wie eine Erinnerung an das erleben, was sie in der Initiation empfangen haben. So war das Hereinleuchten des spirituellen Lebens anders beim alttestamentlichen Volke und anders bei den anderen Völkern. Bei den letzteren geschah es durch die Handlung, durch die Initiation, beim alttestamentlichen Volke kam es durch die Gaben, die denen eingepflanzt wurden, die eben als Propheten unter dem Volke wirkten.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":211,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/139/1912-09-21/p011"},{"locus":"GA 139/1912-09-21/p012","passage_number":12,"text":"Durch dieses Wirken seiner Propheten wurde das althebräische Volk dazu vorbereitet, jene einzigartige Initiation zu erleben, die jetzt nicht die Initiation eines Menschen, sondern die Initiation einer kosmischen Individualität war, wenn man dann noch von Initiation sprechen will, was eigentlich nicht mehr richtig ist. Dadurch wurde das althebräische Volk vorbereitet, das zu empfangen, was an die Stelle der alten Initiation treten sollte: in richtiger Art hinzuschauen auf das Mysterium von Golgatha. Dadurch aber ist auch gegeben, daß die dem alttestamentlichen Volke angehörenden Apostel zunächst kein Verständnis haben für die Worte, welche die Initiation charaktetisieren. Der Christus Jesus spricht von der Initiation, und er drückt sich so aus, daß er sagt: Hineilen zum Tode, drei Tage im Grabe sein, dann auferweckt werden. Das ist die Beschreibung der Initiation. Hätte er diese Beschreibung der Initiation seinen Schülern anders gegeben, so hätten sie ihn verstanden. Weil aber diese Art zu sprechen nicht heimisch war beim alttestamentlichen Volke, deshalb verstanden die Zwölf diese Art der Beschreibung zunächst nicht. Daher werden wir mit Recht darauf hingewiesen, wie die Apostel erstaunt sind und nicht wissen, wovon er redet, als er von dem Leiden und Sterben und Auferwecktwerden des Menschensohnes spricht.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":194,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/139/1912-09-21/p012"}],"english":["GA 139/1912-09-21/p010"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":405,"en_words":456,"ratio":1.13,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","reader"],"reader_german":["GA 139/1912-09-21/p011","GA 139/1912-09-21/p012"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.13,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":7419,"original_word_count":6585,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Conrad Mainzer","identified_edition":"AP1986","book_title":"The Gospel of St. Mark","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA139/English/AP1986/19120921p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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