{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 139/1912-09-21/p021","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"If we perceive correctly the Indian world we may say that the old clairvoyance died out, and because it died out some men, among whom Krishna was the most important, wrote down in wonderful words what had formerly been seen. This, then, appears in the Vedas, in the word; and anyone who immerses himself in the word experiences an echo of it in his soul. But this is quite different from what came forth, for example, in Socrates or other philosophers. What may be called Western intellect, Western power of judgment, never appears in Indian souls. Nor can there be found one example in India of what we today speak of in the fullest sense as the inborn power of the ego. As a result just as the old clairvoyance was dying out there came an urge toward Yoga, a new means of ascending into the spiritual worlds through training as a compensation for the loss of natural clairvoyance. Yoga therefore became an artificial clairvoyance, and the philosophy of Yoga appeared without a time interval, such as that during which, in Greece, for example, a rational philosophy appeared. Nothing of this appeared in India; an interim phase was totally lacking. If we take up the Vedanta philosophy of Vyasa we may say that it is not distinguished for its ideas and intellect as are the teachings of the Western world conceptions, but it appears to have been brought down from higher worlds though expressed in human speech. What is remarkable about it is that it was not achieved through human thinking, nor is it thought out like the characteristic teachings of Socrates and Plato. It was, indeed, the product of clairvoyant perception.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture VII","site_heading":"Christ's Inner Monologue and the Mystery of Golgotha","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Daher macht sich sogleich etwas anderes geltend, als das alte Hellsehen verglommen war: der Drang nach Yoga, dem schulgerechten Hinaufkommen in die Welten, die auf natürliche Weise verloren worden sind. Und Yoga wird ein künstliches Hellsehen. Und im Grunde genommen tritt an die Stelle des alten Hellsehens sogleich die Yoga-Philosophie, ohne daß dazwischen das ist, was zum Beispiel in der griechischen, rein vernunftgemäßen Philosophie auftritt. Das tritt für das Indertum gar nicht ein. Diese Zwischenphase ist gar nicht vorhanden. 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