{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 139/1912-09-21/p023","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Those people who lived more to the West went through different experiences. There we see remarkable and important inner events in the evolution of mankind. Let us take the case of a remarkable philosopher of the sixth century before the Christian era, Pherecydes of Syros.[^3] He was indeed a remarkable philosopher, though present-day philosophers do not count him even as a philosopher at all. There are books on philosophy which actually say—I will quote a few words verbatim—that all he gives are childish symbols, childish descriptions. So does a man today speak who imagines himself to be greatly superior to those ancient philosophers. He calls these notions “childish and ingenious.” Nevertheless, half a millennium before the Christian era a remarkable thinker emerged in Syros. Certainly he describes things differently from other thinkers, who were later to be called philosophers. For example, Pherecydes says, “Underlying everything visible in the world is a trinity: Chronos, Zeus and Chthon. From Chronos comes the airy, the fiery and the watery element. Ophioneus, a kind of serpent being, comes into conflict with all that stems from these three powers.” Even if we have no clairvoyance but only some imagination it is possible to see in front of us everything that he describes. Chronos is put forward not merely as abstract passing time but as a real being in a perceptible form. It is the same with Zeus, the limitless ether, as a living self-perpetuating being; while Chthon, who draws down to earth what once was heavenly, draws together into the planet earth all that is woven in space, in order to make earthly existence possible. All this happens on earth. Then a kind of serpent being interferes, and introduces, so to speak, a hostile element. If we examine what this remarkable Pherecydes of Syros describes, it can easily be understood without the aid of spiritual research. He is a last straggler endowed with the clairvoyance of earlier times. He sees behind the sense world to the real causes, and these he describes with the aid of his clairvoyance. Naturally this does not at all please those who prefer to juggle concepts. He sees the living weaving of the good gods and how hostile powers interfere in their work; and all this he describes from the viewpoint of a clairvoyant. He sees how the elements are born out of Chronos, out of Time seen as a real being.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture VII","site_heading":"Christ's Inner Monologue and the Mystery of Golgotha","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Da blicken wir auf eigenartige, wichtige innere Geschehnisse der Menschheitsevolution. Nehmen wir einen merkwürdigen Philosophen des sechsten Jahrhunderts der vorchristlichen Zeitrechnung: Pherekydes von Syros. Ein merkwürdiger Philosoph! Ein Philosoph, den die heutigen Philosophen nicht als Philosophen gelten lassen. Es gibt heute Philosophiebücher, die sagen das tatsächlich. Ich zitiere da zwei Worte wörtlich: Nun ja, das ist alles kindliche Schilderung, kindliche Symbole; «kindlich und genial» sagt einer heute, der sich ganz besonders erhaben dünkt über jenen alten Philosophen. Also ein halbes Jahrtausend vor der christlichen Zeitrechnung taucht da in Syros ein merkwürdiger Denker auf. Allerdings stellt er anders dar als die übrigen Denker, die man dann später Philosophen nennt. Pherekydes von Syros sagt zum Beispiel: Es liegt dem, was man in der Welt sieht, ein Dreifaches zugrunde: Chronos, Zeus, Chthon. Aus Chronos gehen hervor das luftige, das feurige und das wässerige Element. Und mit alledem, was aus diesen drei Mächten hervorgeht, kommt eine Art Schlangenwesenheit in Streit, Ophioneus. - Alles, was er schildert, man kann es, wenn man seiner Schilderung auch ohne Hellsehen, sondern nur mit etwas Phantasie begabt, nachgeht, vor sich sehen: Chronos, nicht nur als die abstrakt verfließende Zeit, sondern als Wesenheit, als wirkliche Wesenheit, erschaubar gestaltet; ebenso Zeus, den unendlichen Äther, als die in sich belebte Allwesenheit; Chthon, dasjenige, wodurch das sonst Himmlische irdisch wird, was das im Raume auseinander Gewobene zusammenzieht im Planeten Erde, um ein irdisches Dasein zu haben; das alles sich irdisch abspielend; dann, sich hineinmischend wie ein feindliches Element, eine Art Schlangenwesenheit. Wenn man dem nachgeht, was da der merkwürdige Pherckydes von Syros schildert, so braucht man Geistesforschung, um das zu verstehen; denn er ist ein letzter Nachzügler des alten Hellsehens. Er sieht die Welt der Ursachen hinter der Sinneswelt und beschreibt diese Ursachen mit seinem hellseherischen Vermögen. Das gefällt natürlich denen, die nur in Begriffen wirtschaften, gar nicht. Er schaut das lebendige Weben der guten Götter und das Hineinspielen der feindlichen Mächte, die er schildert, wie man sie hellseherisch schaut. Er sieht, wie geboren werden aus Chronos, aus der realen Zeit, die Elemente.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":349,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/139/1912-09-21/p025"}],"english":["GA 139/1912-09-21/p023"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":349,"en_words":402,"ratio":1.15,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.13,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":7419,"original_word_count":6585,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Conrad Mainzer","identified_edition":"AP1986","book_title":"The Gospel of St. Mark","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA139/English/AP1986/19120921p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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