{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 139/1912-09-21/p024","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"So we have in this philosopher Pherecydes of Syros a man who still sees into the world with his soul, gazing into the world disclosed by clairvoyant consciousness, and describing it; and we are able to follow his description. Thus he stands before us in the Western world as late as the sixth century, B.C. while Thales, Anaximenes, Anaximander and Heraclitus,[^4] who are almost his contemporaries, stand there in a quite different manner. Here two worlds actually come together. But how does it appear within the souls of these men? The old clairvoyance has been extinguished, paralyzed in them, and at most all that is left is a longing for the spiritual worlds. What, then, do they experience in place of the living vision that the sage of Syros still possessed, a man who could still look into the world of primal causes? This world has closed to them; they can no longer see into it. It is as if this world wished to close itself to them, as if it was still half present for them but nevertheless eluded them, with the result that they replace the old clairvoyance with abstract concepts that belong to the ego. This is how it appears in the souls of these men. Indeed within these Western souls there was a very remarkable condition of soul at that time. It is moving in the direction of intellect and judgment, which are precisely the characteristics of the ego. We see this within individual souls, as, for instance, in Heraclitus who still describes the living weaving fire as the cause of everything, with, we could say, a last trace of true clairvoyant vision. Thales spoke of water, but he did not mean physical, material water any more than Heraclitus meant physical material fire. But it remains something from the elemental world, which they can still half see through while at the same time it half eludes them, so that all they can give out are abstract concepts. In looking into these souls we can understand how something of the soul mood of these men can still echo into our own time.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture VII","site_heading":"Christ's Inner Monologue and the Mystery of Golgotha","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Und was erleben sie an der Stelle, wo ein Rest des alten Schauens bei dem Weisen von Syros noch da war, wo er noch hineingeschaut hat in die elementarische Welt der Ursachen? Die ist ihnen bereits verschlossen. Da sehen sie nicht mehr hinein. Es ist so, wie wenn sich gerade diese Welt vor ihnen verschlieBen wollte, wie wenn sie halb noch da wäre für sie und doch sich wieder ihnen entzöge, so daß sie abstrakte Begriffe, die dem Ich angehöen, an die Stelle des alten Hellsehens setzen. So schaut es aus in diesen Seelen. Das ist ein sehr merkwürdiger Seelenzustand in den westlichen Seelen. Das ist jener Seelenzustand, der hinarbeitet nach Vernunft, nach Urteilskraft, die gerade das Ich auszeichnen sollen. An einzelnen Seelen sehen wir es, so zum Beispiel, wenn Heraklit noch das lebendig webende Feuer, man möchte sagen, mit einem letzten Anflug von richtigem hellseherischem Schauen als die Ursache aller Dinge schildert; Thales das Wasser, aber nicht das physisch-sinnliche Wasser, wie Heraklit auch nicht das physisch-sinnliche Feuer meint, sondern es ist noch etwas von der elementarischen Welt, die sie halb noch sehen, während sie sich ihnen halb entzieht und sie abstrakte Begriffe geben müssen. 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