{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 142/1912-12-31/p032","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"I can well imagine, my dear friends, someone saying: “Well, what could be more wonderful than when the highest ideal of man, the perfection of mankind, is placed before our eyes in the form of Krishna!” There can be something higher—and that it is which must stand by our side and permeate us when we have to gain this humanity, not merely against Tamas and Rajas, but against the powers of the spirit. That is the Christ. So it is the want of capacity to see something greater still, if one is determined to see in Krishna the highest of all. The preponderating force of the Christ-Impulse as compared with the Krishna-Impulse is expressed in the fact that in the latter we have incarnated in the whole human nature of Krishna, the Being which was incarnated in him. Krishna was born, and grew up, as the son of Visudeva; but in his whole manhood was incorporated, incarnated, that highest human impulse which we recognise as Krishna. That other Impulse, which must stand by our side when we have to confront Lucifer and Ahriman (which confrontation is only now beginning, for all such things, for instance, as are represented in our Mystery Dramas, will be understood psychically by future generations), that other Impulse must be one for which mankind as such, is at first too small, an Impulse which cannot immediately dwell even in a body such as one which Zarathustra can inhabit, but can only dwell in it when that body itself has attained the height of its development, when it has reached its thirtieth year. Thus the Christ-Impulse does not fill a whole life, but only the ripest period of a human life. That is why the Christ-Impulse lived only for three years in the body of Jesus. The more exalted height of the Christ-Impulse is expressed in the fact that it could not live immediately in a human body, as did Krishna from his birth up. We shall have to speak further of the overwhelming greatness of the Christ-Impulse as compared with the Krishna. Impulse and how this is to be seen. But from what has already been characterised you can both see and feel that, as a matter of fact, the relation between the great Gita and the Epistles of St. Paul could be none other; that the whole presentation of the Gita being the ripe fruit of much, much earlier times, may therefore be complete in itself; while the Epistles of St. Paul, being the first seeds of a future-certainly more perfect, more all-embracing world-epoch, must necessarily be far more incomplete. Thus one who represents how the world runs its course must recognise, it is true, the great imperfections of the Pauline Epistles as compared with the Gita, the very, very significant imperfections—they must not be disguised—but he must also understand the reason those imperfections have to be there.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture IV","site_heading":"Krishna and Christ: Transforming Human Evolution's Spiritual Foundation","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Und so ist es eigenes Unvermögen, nicht etwas noch Größeres zu sehen, wenn jemand nur in der Krishna-Darstellung das Höchste sehen will.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":98,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/142/1912-12-31/p059"},{"locus":"GA 142/1912-12-31/p060","passage_number":60,"text":"Und auch darin drückt sich das Präponderierende des Christus-Impulses gegenüber dem Krishna-Impuls aus, daß wir beim Krishna-Impuls die Wesenheit, welche im Krishna inkarniert war, in der ganzen Menschheit des Krishna inkarniert haben. Da wird Krishna als der Sohn des Visudeva geboren und er wächst heran; aber in seiner ganzen Menschheit ist jener höchste menschliche Impuls verkörpert, inkarniert, den wir eben als den Krishna erkennen. Derjenige Impuls, der uns an die Seite treten muß, wenn es sich um unser Gegenüberstehen gegen Luzifer und Ahriman handelt — dieses Gegenüberstehen ist erst im Anfang vorhanden, denn alle Dinge, die zum Beispiel in unseren Mysteriendramen dargestellt sind, werden für die zukünftigen Menschen seelisch greifbar sein -, das muß ein Impuls sein, für den die Menschheit zunächst als solche zu klein ist, ein Impuls, der selbst in einem solchen Leib, in dem der Zarathustra wohnen kann, nicht unmittelbar wohnen kann, sondern nur dann in ihm wohnen kann, wenn dieser Leib selber auf der Höhe der Entwickelung angelangt ist, wenn dieser Leib das dreißigste Lebensjahr erlangt hat. Daher füllt der Christus-Impuls nicht ein ganzes Leben aus, sondern nur die reifsten Zeiten eines Menschenlebens. Daher kommt es, daß der Christus-Impuls nur drei Jahre in dem Leibe des Jesus anwesend war. Gerade darin drückt sich wiederum das Höherstehende des Christus-Impulses aus, daß er nicht unmittelbar in diesem menschlichen Leibe leben kann, so wie das Krishna-Wesen von der Geburt an. Und wie sich das Überragende des Christus-Impulses gegenüber dem Krishna-Impuls weiter zeigt, davon werden wir ja noch weiter zu sprechen haben. Aber sehen, herausfühlen werden Sie aus demjenigen, was bisher charakterisiert worden ist, daß es in der Tat so sein muß, wie uns das Verhältnis zwischen der großen Gita und den Paulusbriefen entgegentritt: daß die ganze Darstellung der Gita, weil sie reife Frucht vieler vorangehender Zeitalter ist, vollkommen an sich sein kann, und daß die Paulusbriefe, weil sie die ersten Keime zu einem nächsten, allerdings vollkommeneren, umfassenderen Weltenalter sind, viel unvollkommener sein mußten. 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