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This is very similar to the feeling one has when, for example, in autumn the relation of the Sun's rays to the Earth's vegetation changes in the usual way. Quite similar are the feelings towards nature now forsaken by Sun and Stars to the feelings towards the human organism forsaken by its ego and astral body. And now one has the specific experience that in this respect man is independent of his relation to the physical heavens, whereas the plant-growth is dependent on this relationship. Concerning the plants we know that they cannot go to sleep as they like, owing to their inner constitution; they must wait until the Sun sets in the evening, or until autumn comes. Concerning man we know that in our time, and especially under our conditions of civilisation, he is no longer in the least guided by the Sun. For instance, if we had to guide ourselves by the Sun, as do the plants, we could not be assembled here together. The transition, which for the plants is so strictly ruled by the course of the Sun and Stars, has no influence on man. Certainly if we come into primitive rural conditions and see how not only the fowls but also the village folk go to sleep at a certain time and wake at a certain time, we feel as if there were something of a plant-like connection between human beings and the course of the Sun and Stars. But we have to conclude that in the course of human evolution man has emancipated himself from the cosmic course of events. With his physical and etheric bodies he is able to come into the situation which the plant comes to through the position of the Sun and Stars—he comes to it through inner conditions, I will not say by dint of inner free will. A man can have his afternoon nap through his own inner condition; that is he can come out of his physical and etheric bodies. The plant cannot have an afternoon sleep at will; it has to regulate itself entirely in accordance with the course of the stars. But what is man when as physical and etheric body he lies asleep, with his astral body and his ego outside? His physical and etheric bodies then have the value of the plant. A physical and an etheric body are what the plant has. Considering all this, you may say: A plant grows gradually into connection with the Sun and the starry world, becomes one with them. Hence we must direct our feeling from the plant to the world of the Stars and Sun. 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Now when, proceeding from such perceptions, a man deliberately brings about the independence of the ego and astral body from the etheric and physical bodies; when he has got so far as deliberately to make the physical body and the etheric body into a kind of plant by passing out of them, then he comes to know something very strange—it is as if the Sun were speaking, as if it were looking down on the plants and observing itself in relation to them, and then saying: Yes, this physical and this etheric body of the plants belong to me, for they need what I can send them! Exactly as the Sun might speak to the plant growing below, so can the ego of a person say of his physical and etheric bodies: “They belong to me as the plant does to the Sun; I am like a Sun to the physical and etheric bodies.” A Sun to the physical and etheric body—so does a man learn of necessity to speak of his ego. And just as he learns to speak of his ego with reference to his physical and etheric bodies as the Sun would speak to the plant, so does he learn to speak of his astral body as the Moon, and also the planets, would have to speak to the plant. That is a quite special and important experience in the Mysteries. 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Auch wenn man sozusagen die Schergabe ausgeschaltet hat und nur die physische Welt sieht mit dem schlafenden Menschen, auch dann kommt das Gefühl, daß dieser Mensch, der da schlafend ist, von etwas verlassen ist. Sehr ähnlich ist dieses Gefühl dem, das man bekommt, wenn zum Beispiel im Herbst die Sonnenstrahlen sich so verändern gegenüber der Vegetation, wie dies eben der Fall ist. Ganz ähnlich stellen sich die Gefühle gegenüber der sonnen- und sternenverlassenen Natur, wie die Gefühle zu dem von seinem Ich und astralischen Leib verlassenen Menschenleib. Und nun erlebt man das Eigentümliche, daß der Mensch in dieser Beziehung unabhängig ist von seinen physischen Himmelsverhältnissen, während das Pflanzenwachstum abhängig ist von den physischen Himmelsverhältnissen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":158,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/144/1913-02-04/p020"},{"locus":"GA 144/1913-02-04/p021","passage_number":21,"text":"Von der Pflanze wissen wir, daß sie nicht in beliebiger Weise, durch ihre eigenen Innenverhältnisse etwa, einschlafen kann: sie muß warten, bis die Sonne am Abend hinuntersinkt, oder sie muß warten, bis der Herbst kommt. Vom Menschen wissen wir, daß er in unserer Zeit, und besonders in unseren Kulturverhältnissen, sich gar nicht mehr nach der Sonne richtet. Wir könnten zum Beispiel gar nicht hier zusammen sein, wenn wir uns ebenso wie die Pflanze nach dem Sonnenstande richten müßten. Beim Menschen ist derselbe Übergang, der bei der Pflanze noch streng geregelt ist durch den Sonnen- und Sternengang, emanzipiert von Sonnen- und Sternengang. Zwar wenn wir hinauskommen in ländliche, ursprüngliche Verhältnisse und gewahr werden, wie nicht nur die Hühner, sondern auch die Menschen auf dem Dorfe zur bestimmten Zeit schlafen gehen und zur bestimmten Zeit aufwachen, so fühlen wir da noch etwas, man möchte sagen, wie pflanzenhaftes Zusammenhängen der Menschen mit dem Gange der Sonne und der Sterne. Aber wir können es nicht anders beurteilen, als daß im Laufe der Menschheitsentwickelung der Mensch sich emanzipiert von dem kosmischen Gang der Ereignisse, daß er mit seinem physischen Leib und Ätherleib in jenen Zustand, in den die Pflanze nur durch den Sonnen- und Sternenstand kommt, aus inneren Verhältnissen heraus kommen kann, ich will nicht sagen aus der inneren Willkür heraus. Der Mensch kann seinen «Nachmittagsschlaf» machen aus seinen eigenen inneren Verhältnissen heraus, das heißt, er kann aus seinem physischen Leib und Ätherleib herauskommen. Die Pflanze kann nicht in einer beliebigen Weise einen Nachmittagsschlaf machen, sie muß sich ganz nach dem Gang der Sterne richten. Der Mensch aber, was ist er denn, wenn er im Bette liegt als physischer Leib und Ätherleib, und heraußen sind sein Ich und sein astralischer Leib? Physischer Leib und Ätherleib haben dann den Wert der Pflanze. Die Pflanze hat physischen Leib und Ätherleib. Wenn wir nun alles, was jetzt gesagt ist, zusammenhalten, so werden Sie sagen: Habe ich eine Pflanze vor mir, dann wächst allmählich die Pflanze zusammen mit Sonnen- und Sternenwelt, wird eins damit. Man muß also die Empfindung hinlenken von der Pflanze zu den Sternenwelten, zur Sonne. Dieselbe Empfindungsrichtung muß man entwickeln von dem schlafenden Menschen, der auch physischer Leib und Ätherleib ist, also vom Werte einer Pflanze ist, zu seinem Ich und astralischen Leib hin, die ganz unabhängig zunächst vom Sonnenstande außer dem physischen Leib und Ätherleib sind, wenn der Mensch schläft, genau wie die physische Sonne außerhalb des physischen Leibes und des Ätherleibes der Pflanze ist.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":410,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/144/1913-02-04/p021"},{"locus":"GA 144/1913-02-04/p022","passage_number":22,"text":"Was ich Ihnen jetzt auseinandergesetzt habe, erlebt man als Seher. Wenn man nun, ausgehend von solchen Empfindungen, willkürlich herbeiführt die Selbständigkeit des Ich und astralischen Leibes von physischem Leib und Ätherleib, wenn man es dahin gebracht hat, physischen Leib und Ätherleib willkürlich zu einer Art von Pflanze zu machen dadurch, daß man aus ihnen heraus ist, dann weiß man jetzt etwas ganz Sonderbares. Man weiß etwas, was sich nicht anders aussprechen läßt, als wie etwa die Sonne sprechen würde, wenn sie hinuntersehen würde auf die Pflanzen und sich denselben gegenüber sehen würde. Da könnte sie sagen: Ja, dieser physische Leib und Ätherleib der Pflanzen gehört zu mir; er gehört zu mir, weil erbraucht, was ich ihm zusenden kann! Genau wie die Sonne zur Pflanze, die unten wächst, sprechen würde, so kann das Ich des Menschen zu seinern physischen und Ätherleib sagen: Das gehört zu mir wie die Pflanze zur Sonne; ich bin wie eine Sonne für den physischen Leib und Ätherleib. Sonne für den physischen Leib und Ätherleib, — so lernt der Mensch mit Notwendigkeit sprechen von seinem Ich! Und ebenso wie er sprechen lernt von seinem Ich mit Bezug auf physischen Leib und Ätherleib, wie die Sonne zur Pflanze sprechen würde, so lernt er von seinem astralischen Leib so sprechen, wie der Mond und auch die Planeten zur Pflanze sprechen müßten. Das ist ein ganz besonderes Mysterienerlebnis, ein wichtiges Mysterienerlebnis.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":231,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/144/1913-02-04/p022"},{"locus":"GA 144/1913-02-04/p023","passage_number":23,"text":"In der Weise, wie ich es jetzt auseinandergelegt habe, ist dieses Mysterienerlebnis als unmittelbare Erfahrung - als wirkliches Erlebnis — zuerst gepflegt worden in den Mysterien des Zarathustra, und dann über die ganze Weltentwickelung hin bis wieder in die Mysterien des Heiligen Gral. Genannt wurde es immer, dieses Erlebnis, weil es der Mensch, namentlich während der ägyptischen Mysterienzeit, am deutlichsten hatte, wenn er schlafend um die Mitternacht geistig die Sonne schaute und sich mit den Kräften der Sonne so vereint fühlte, wie es jetzt charakterisiert worden ist, genannt wurde es «die Sonne um Mitternacht sehen»: Erleben des Sonnenhaften im eigenen Ich als eine Sonnenkraft, die auf physischen Leib und Ätherleib scheint.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":111,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/144/1913-02-04/p023"},{"locus":"GA 144/1913-02-04/p024","passage_number":24,"text":"Da haben wir jetzt ein Drittes, das allen den verschiedenen Mysterien der Welt gemeinsam war. Gemeinsam war und ist ihnen das «Herandringen bis an die Grenze des Todes», das «Erleben der elementaren Welt» und jetzt das «Schauen der Sonne um Mitternacht». Das ist ein technischer Ausdruck; das entsprechende Erlebnis setzt sich aus dem zusammen, was eben jetzt charakterisiert worden ist. Man muß sich nur klar darüber sein, daß in dem Augenblick, wo man sich also abgesondert fühlt und wie sternenhaft oder sonnenhaft dem eigenen Ätherleib und physischen Leib gegenüber fühlt, man nicht mehr die Sonne und die Sterne nur in ihren physischen Substantialitäten fühlt, sondern daß man die zu ihnen gehörigen geistigen Wesenheiten und Welten kennenlernt. Daß das Erleben des Kosmos ein Erleben in den geistigen Welten ist, darüber muß man sich klar sein.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":134,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/144/1913-02-04/p024"}],"beads":[{"from":[19],"to":[20,21],"confidence":"medium"},{"from":[20],"to":[22],"confidence":"medium"},{"from":[21],"to":[23,24],"confidence":"medium"}],"note":"Paired by the paragraph aligner; each language numbers its own paragraphs. 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