{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 146/1913-05-28/p020","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Now let us think of one of the pupils of Socrates who could certainly have no doubt of the reality of all that surrounded him, being a Greek, and compare him with Krishna's disciple Arjuna. Think how the Greek has to be introduced to the super-sensible world, and then think of Arjuna who can have no doubt whatever about it but becomes confused instead with the sense-world, almost doubting the possibility of its existence. I know that history, philosophy and other branches of knowledge may say with apparently good reason, “Yes, but if you will only look at what is written in the *Bhagavad Gita*, and in Plato's works, it is just as easy to prove the opposite of what you have just said.” I know too that those who speak like this do not want to feel the deeper impulses, the mighty impulses that arise on the one hand from that picture out of the *Bhagavad Gita*, and on the other from that of the dying Socrates as described by Plato. A deep gulf yawns between these two worlds In spite of all the similarity that can be discovered. This is because the *Bhagavad Gita* marks the end of the age of the ancient clairvoyance. There we can catch the last echo of it; while in the dying Socrates we meet one of the first of those who through thousands of years have wrestled with another kind of human knowledge, with those ideas, thoughts and feelings that, so to say, were thrown off by the old clairvoyance and have continued to evolve in the intervening time, because they have to prepare the way for a new clairvoyance. Today we are striving toward this new clairvoyance by giving out and receiving what we call the anthroposophical conception of the world. From a certain aspect we may say that no gulf is deeper than the one that opens between Arjuna and a disciple of Socrates.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture I","site_heading":"Ancient Clairvoyance and the Birth of Individual Ego","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Man kann von alle dem ebensogut das Gegenteil beweisen, das Gegenteil von dem, was du eben ausgesprochen hast. — Aber ich weiß auch, daß diejenigen, die so sprechen, nicht empfinden wollen die tieferen, grandiosen Impulse, die auf der einen Seite jenem Bilde der Bhagavad Gita entlehnt sind, auf der anderen Seite dem Bilde des sterbenden Sokrates, wie Plato ihn schildert. Ein Abgrund liegt doch zwischen diesen zwei Welten bei alle dem, was man an Ähnlichkeit wiederum herausfinden könnte. Warum ist dieses so?","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":125,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/146/1913-05-28/p016"},{"locus":"GA 146/1913-05-28/p017","passage_number":17,"text":"Es ist so, weil die Bhagavad Gita am Ende des alten hellseherischen menschlichen Zeitalters steht, weil in der Bhagavad Gita etwas herauftönt zu uns, wie der letzte Nachklang alten menschlichen Hellsehertums; weil auf der anderen Seite in dem sterbenden Sokrates uns einer der ersten jener Menschen entgegentritt, die da rangen durch Jahrtausende mit jener menschlichen Erkenntnis, mit jenen menschlichen Ideen, Gedanken und Empfindungen, die wie herausgeworfen sind aus dem alten Hellsehertum, die sich entwickelten in der Zwischenzeit, da sie sich vorzubereiten hatten zu einem neuen Hellsehertum, dem wir heute zustreben durch die Verkündigung und Aufnahme dessen, was wir die anthroposophische Weltanschauung nennen. Es ist in einer gewissen Beziehung keine Kluft tiefer als diejenige, die sich auftut zwischen Arjuna, dem Krishnaschüler, und einem Sokratesschüler. Aber wir leben in einer Zeit, in welcher die menschlichen Seelen, nachdem sie jahrhundertelang in ihrem Laufe durch verschiedene Verwandlungen, durch ihre Inkarnationen hindurch gesucht haben das Leben in äußerer Erkenntnis, den Zusammenschluß wieder suchen mit den spirituellen Welten. Im Grunde genommen ist, daß Sie hier sitzen, der lebendigste Beweis, daß in Ihnen solche Seelen leben, die den Zusammenschluß suchen, jenen Zusammenschluß, der hinaufführen soll in erneuerter Weise die Seelen zu solchen Welten, die uns, wie in einer wunderbaren Offenbarung, entgegenklingen in demjenigen, was Krishna seinem Schüler Arjuna verkündet. Deshalb kann wie etwas, was tiefsten Sehnsuchten unserer Seelen entspricht, vieles zu uns klingen, was der Bhagavad Gita okkult zugrunde liegt.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":233,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/146/1913-05-28/p017"},{"locus":"GA 146/1913-05-28/p018","passage_number":18,"text":"In alten Zeiten war der Seele das Band vertraut, das sie verbindet mit dem Geistigen. Das Übersinnliche, das Jenseitige, das Spirituelle war ihr wohlvertraut. Am Ausgangspunkte einer Zeit stehen wir, in der die Menschenseele wieder sucht den Zugang, jetzt in erneuter Weise, zu den übersinnlichen, spirituellen Welten. Wie eine Aneiferung zu diesem Suchen muß es uns erscheinen, wenn wir uns sagen können, wie das, was wir suchen, ja schon einmal da war in einer gewissen Weise, die allerdings nicht mehr die unsrige sein kann, aber doch eben einmal da war. Und zwar werden wir in ganz besonders hohem Grade dieses, was schon einmal da war, in den Offenbarungen des heiligen Sanges des Morgenlandes finden, in den Offenbarungen der erhabenen Gita, von Krishna an seinen großen Schüler Arjuna gerichtet.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":128,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/146/1913-05-28/p018"}],"english":["GA 146/1913-05-28/p020","GA 146/1913-05-28/p021"],"method":"reader","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":561,"en_words":532,"ratio":0.95,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["reader"],"reader_german":["GA 146/1913-05-28/p015","GA 146/1913-05-28/p016","GA 146/1913-05-28/p017"],"reader_part":true},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":0.93,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":4999,"original_word_count":5398,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"George Adams and Mary Adams","identified_edition":"AP1968","book_title":"The Occult Significance of the Bhagavad Gita","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA146/English/AP1968/19130528p01.html","evidence":"lecture_list_row","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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