{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 146/1913-05-29/p029","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Let us grasp what Krishna means by this exhortation. He does not mean that the contents of the Vedas are untrue. He does not want Arjuna to accept what is given in the Vedas *dogmatically* as the disciples of the Veda teaching do. He wants to inspire him to take his start from the very first original point whence the human soul evolves. For this purpose all dogmatic wisdom must be laid aside. We can imagine Krishna saying to himself that even though Arjuna will in the end reach the very same wisdom that is contained in the Vedas, still he must be drawn away from them, for he must go his own way, beginning with the sources in his own soul. Krishna rejects the Vedas, whether their content is true or untrue. Arjuna's path must start from himself, through his own inwardness he must come to recognize Krishna. Arjuna must be assumed to have in himself what a man can and must have if he is really to enter into the concrete truths of the super-sensible worlds. Krishna has called Arjuna's attention to something that from then onward is a common attribute of humanity. Having led him to this point he must lead him further and bring him to recognize what he is to achieve through Yoga. Thus, Arjuna must first undergo Yoga. Here the poem rises to another level.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture II","site_heading":"Soul Upheaval and the Birth of Abstract Thought","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Dasjenige, was den höchsten Menschen jener Zeiten durch Jahrhunderte hindurch heilig war, der Inhalt der Veden, wird radikal abgelehnt: Halte dich nicht an die Veden, halte dich nicht an das Vedawort, halte dich an Yoga. - Das heißt, halte dich an das Innere deiner eigenen Seele. Fassen wir ins Auge, was da gesagt werden soll.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":135,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/146/1913-05-29/p025"},{"locus":"GA 146/1913-05-29/p026","passage_number":26,"text":"Die Veden enthalten im Sinne des Krishna nicht Unwahrheit, aber Krishna will nicht, daß Arjuna dasjenige, was in den Veden gegeben ist, dogmatisch hinnimmt wie die Vedenschüler, sondern Krishna will ihn heranerziehen, daß er von dem ursprünglichsten Entwickelungspunkt der Menschenseele ausgehe. Da muß alle dogmatische Weisheit beiseite gesetzt werden. Dann könnte Krishna etwa sprechen, wie beiseite — wir können uns ja vorstellen, daß Krishna zu sich beiseite spricht —, dann könnte er sich sagen: Und wenn Arjuna auch zuletzt zu all demselben kommen soll, was in den Veden steht, ich muß ihn ablenken von den Veden, denn er soll den eigenen Weg aus den Ursprüngen seiner Seele machen. — Von Krishna werden die Veden abgelehnt, gleichgültig, ob sie Wahrheit oder Unwahrheit enthalten. Denn vom Ursprünglichen der Seele soll Arjuna den Weg nehmen, er soll aus sich, aus einer inneren Eigenheit den Krishna kennenlernen. Für Arjuna muß vorausgesetzt werden, was vorausgesetzt werden kann, wenn man in die konkreten Wahrheiten der oberen übersinnlichen Welten wirklich eintreten kann. So daß also, nachdem Krishna den Arjuna aufmerksam gemacht hat auf etwas, was von diesem Zeitraum der Verkündung der Bhagavad Gita an, allgemein menschlich ist, nachdem er ihn darauf geführt hat, er ihn auch dahin führen muß, zu erkennen, was er bekommen soll durch den Yoga. Denn Yoga muß Arjuna erst durchmachen. 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