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It is due to his peculiar development and to the strange experiences he has lived through that he has these encounters with the double in the scenes shown;[^2] Ahriman can form a part of his soul in such a way at this soul fragment—essentially a part of his etheric body—is filled with self-seeking soul elements. This sort of thing occurs only when the preconditions are such as those in Johannes Thomasius's case. You can get quite an idea of Johannes's particular soul in the course of the four dramas. A certain stage in his soul development is also indicated at the end of *The Guardian of the Threshold*.[^3] Such a stage is reached by many seekers on the spiritual path.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":200,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/147/1913-08-30/p014","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1913-08-30","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 147/1913-08-30/p009","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/147/1913-08-30/p009"}],"bead_confidence":"high","pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["reader"],"reader_german":["GA 147/1913-08-30/p009"],"reader_part":true,"length_check":{"de_words":345,"en_words":331,"ratio":0.96,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. 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But how does he experience it? We might say that if we observe him only in this early part of the dramas, *The Portal of Initiation*, he hasn't advanced very far—not beyond what might be called “imaginative soul experiences,” with all the imbalance and mistakes attendant on them. All the experiences presented there are subjective, except for the scenes that are not part of the action, the Prelude and the Interlude preceding Scene Eight. All the other action is the subjective imaginative experience of Johannes Thomasius; he doesn't get beyond this stage in the Portal. Everything we see on the stage should be conceived as happening in Johannes's soul as imaginative insight. This is very clear from the stage directions, which—except for the two scenes mentioned—require Johannes to be on stage throughout; this is very tiring for the actor. Even though in the Temple scene at the end of the drama, Johannes Thomasius says all sorts of things that theoretically have objective validity, we might agree that people say a lot of things in various temples that do not reflect maturity, for which a longer growth period is needed. But words are not what matter here; we see from the whole presentation that we are dealing with the subjective imaginations of Johannes Thomasius.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":238,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/147/1913-08-30/p015","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Ruth Pusch","identified_edition":"AP1987","book_title":"Secrets of the Threshold","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA147/English/AP1987/19130830p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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This does not remain in the realm of imagination but extends into the objective world where spiritual facts are encountered, which exist independently of his soul. We move away from his subjectivity into the objective world. In the course of these first two plays, Johannes gradually frees himself from his subjective state and enters the objective spiritual world. That was why it happened so naturally—since in *The Probation of the Soul* Johannes was achieving the first stage of actual initiation—that Lucifer gains the seductive influence shown at the end of the play.[^4] Thus conditions are met that allow the further development of a soul like that of Johannes Thomasius, as portrayed in *The Guardian of the Threshold*.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":141,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/147/1913-08-30/p016","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Ruth Pusch","identified_edition":"AP1987","book_title":"Secrets of the Threshold","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA147/English/AP1987/19130830p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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His work impels him at first to a more subjective encounter with Ahriman there; as a result of this meeting, Johannes develops an egotism counter to the divine world order. But now begin his objective experiences and these are Lucifer's domain. Here we are definitely no longer dealing with the merely subjective but with a picturing of the spiritual world apart from man. The spiritual world is a spiritual experience just as the physical world is a physical one.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":91,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/147/1913-08-30/p017","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1913-08-30","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 147/1913-08-30/p012","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/147/1913-08-30/p012"}],"bead_confidence":"high","pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["reader"],"reader_german":["GA 147/1913-08-30/p012"],"reader_part":true,"length_check":{"de_words":403,"en_words":367,"ratio":0.91,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. 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This means that he is able to bring in with him all the possibilities of erring of which the soul is capable, especially his strange relationship to Theodora. Johannes enters the higher world, burdened with all the slag of his lower self, but even so, confronting the higher world. If I may use a shallow term for it, I would have to say that Johannes Thomasius falls occultly in love with Theodora. Certain physical impulses intrude into the higher world in this relationship. As he goes through all this, Johannes Thomasius reaches the point described at the end of *The Guardian of the Threshold*. Here he experiences his ordinary self, belonging to the physical and elemental worlds, as well as the other self he met upon entering the spiritual world. In Scene Nine, the Morning Walk, as well as in Scene Eleven, the Temple, in the presence of Hilary, Johannes reaches what one might describe as his inner sensing of both these two selves. But it is clear that he has not yet created any balance in the relationship between the ordinary and the other self; he wavers back and forth between the two. Considering that at the end of the *Guardian* and thus at the beginning of *The Souls' Awakening*, Johannes Thomasius stands before us as a soul who feels the separate yet parallel activity of these two selves, we can understand that much exists in his soul-being that can be dug out, so to speak. At first Ahriman digs out the double. 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Es kann das Folgende vorkommen: Irgendein Mensch kann ein Intrigant sein, kann mancherlei Menschen durch seine Intrigen Böses zugefügt haben. Er kann wieder einmal ausgegangen sein und irgendeine Intrige eingefädelt haben. Er kommt zurück in seine Wohnung, tritt vielleicht in sein Schreibzimmer ein, auf seinem Schreibtisch liegen vielleicht Papiere, auf denen Dinge stehen, mit denen er die Intrigen eingefädelt hat, und es kann ihm passieren, trotzdem er in seinem Oberbewußtsein zynisch geartet sein kann, daß doch sein Unterbewußtsein erfaßt wird von jenen Impulsen des Intrigierens. Er tritt ein in sein Schreibzimmer, schaut zu seinem Schreibtisch hin und siehe da: er sitzt da selber. Das ist eine unangenehme Begegnung, wenn man durch seine eigene Türe ins Zimmer tritt und sich selbst am Schreibtisch sitzen sieht. Aber solche Dinge gehören in den Bereich dessen, was sehr oft passiert und was dann gerade leicht passieren kann, wenn solches Intrigieren stattfindet. Dasjenige, dem man da begegnet, ist durchaus der Doppelgänger, den ich wiederum mit anderen Aufgaben versucht habe, in dem «Hüter der Schwelle» und in «Der Seelen Erwachen» darzustellen. Wir wissen, daß dieser Doppelgänger von Johannes Thomasius erlebt wird, und es hängt mit der eigentümlichen Entwickelung des Johannes Thomasius zusammen, daß er an den Stellen, wo es gezeigt wird, die Begegnung mit dem Doppelgänger hat, weil durch die eigentümlichen Erlebnisse, die er gehabt hat, Ahriman einen Teil seiner Seele formgemäß so gestalten kann, daß dieser Teil der Seele substantiell als Teil des ätherischen Leibes mit selbstsüchtigen Seelenelementen erfüllt ist. So etwas tritt dann auf, wenn die Vorbedingungen geschaffen sind wie bei Johannes Thomasius. Sie können ein wenig in die eigenartige Seele dieses Johannes Thomasius durch die vier Dramen hindurchblicken. Es ist auch am Ende von «Der Hüter der Schwelle» ein gewisser Entwickelungspunkt in der Seele des Johannes Thomasius angedeutet. Solch ein Entwickelungspunkt kann für viele Seelen eintreten, welche den Weg in die übersinnlichen Welten hinauf suchen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":345,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/147/1913-08-30/p009"},{"locus":"GA 147/1913-08-30/p012","passage_number":12,"text":"Im «Hüter der Schwelle» wird Johannes 'Thomasius in die geistige objektive Welt hineingestellt, wo er, allerdings noch durch die Arbeit getrieben, mehr subjektiv zunächst Ahriman gegenübersteht, von dem er aufnimmt, was er im Gegensatz zur göttlichen Weltenordnung an Egoistischem entwickelt. Dann aber beginnen die objektiven Erlebnisse, in denen Luzifer waltet. Da haben wir es durchaus nicht mehr mit bloß subjektiven Erlebnissen zu tun, sondern mit der Darstellung der geistigen Welt, losgelöst vom Menschen, die man im Geistigen erlebt, so wie man die äußere physische Welt im Physischen erlebt. Aber Johannes Thomasius tritt sozusagen da erst in die objektive geistige Welt hinein. Daher kann er da noch alle Verirrungsmöglichkeiten der menschlichen Seele mitbringen, vor allen Dingen das eigentümliche Verhältnis zu Theodora. Dieses Verhältnis muß man nur fassen, wie es gemeint ist. Man möchte sagen, mit all den Schlacken des niederen Selbstes tritt Johannes in diese höhere Welt herein, aber er steht der höheren Welt gegenüber. Und wenn ich mit einem recht flachen Ausdruck die Sache bezeichnen will, so möchte ich sagen: Okkult verliebt sich Johannes Thomasius in Theodora. — Es werden also in dem Verhältnis des Johannes ’Thomasius zu Theodora gewisse Impulse der physischen Welt in die höhere Welt hinaufgetragen. Durch alles dies hindurchgehend, kommt Johannes Thomasius zu dem, was angedeutet ist am Ende vom «Hüter der Schwelle». Zu einem Erleben des gewöhnlichen Selbstes, das der physischen Welt und der elementarischen Welt angehört, das man mit sich trägt, wenn man als Mensch durch die Welt geht, und des anderen Selbstes, dem man begegnet, wenn man die geistige Welt betritt, kommt Johannes Thomasius. Sowohl im neunten Bilde, in dem Spaziergang, wie auch im Tempel vor Hilarius gelangt Johannes Thomasius an das, was man nennen kann sein inneres Erfühlen sowohl des einen wie des anderen Selbstes. Man merkt aber genau, daß Johannes Thomasius noch nicht recht Ordnung geschaffen hat in bezug auf die Harmonie zwischen dem gewöhnlichen und dem anderen Selbst, daß er hin und her lebt zwischen beiden Selbsten. 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