{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 148/1913-10-06/p039","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"The experience He Himself underwent was as I have indicated. Whereas in the first periods the Christ Being had been comparatively independent of the body of Jesus of Nazareth, He had more and more to become one with it. And the longer His life continued, the more closely was He knit with the body of Jesus of Nazareth. In the last years, the union with the body of Jesus of Nazareth—which had itself become increasingly frail—caused Him deep suffering. Nevertheless a great multitude now accompanied Christ Jesus as He went about the country. Here or there one among the band of the Apostles would speak—here or there, another—and the people might easily believe that the speaker was Christ Jesus, for He spoke through all of them. One can listen to the scribes speaking together to this effect: It would be possible, after all, to pick out any one of these followers and put him to death in order to frighten the people; but it might be the wrong one, for they all speak alike. Such an act would be of no use to us, for the real Christ Jesus might still be living. We must find which one He really is.—Only the disciples themselves could distinguish Him but they most certainly did not divulge to the enemy who was the right one. But because of the question that had remained unsolved, the question that Christ could not solve in the spiritual worlds but only on the earth, Ahriman had gained sufficient power. As a result of the most terrible of all deeds, Christ must experience what it means to turn stones into bread. For Ahriman made use of Judas from Karioth. On account of the way Christ worked, there would have been no spiritual means of discovering among the men who revered Him which was, in truth, the Christ. For wherever the Spirit was working, wherever even a trace of convincing power was working, He could not be taken. Only where there was one who employed the means which Christ did not know, which He could only learn to know as the result of the most terrible deed wrought on earth—only where Judas was working could He be seized. The only means of recognising Him was through one who placed himself in the service of Ahriman, who in actual fact betrayed Him for the sake of money alone. Christ Jesus was connected with Judas because at the Temptation there remained something which, in a God, is comprehensible—He did not know that it is only true in the heavens that stones are not needed for bread. Because Ahriman had retained this sting, the Betrayal took place. And then Christ must come perforce under the dominion of the Lord of Death—and Ahriman is the Lord of Death. Such is the connection of the story of the Temptation and the Mystery of Golgotha with the Betrayal by Judas.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture V","site_heading":"Jesus's Inner Crisis and the Birth of the Lord's Prayer","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. Cite the unit by its title and locus, never by this heading, and do not quote it.","date":"1913-10-06","location":null,"word_count":485,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/148/1913-10-06/p039","alignment_confidence":"low","alignment_reason":"count_diverges","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Dorothy S. Osmond","identified_edition":"RSPC1950","book_title":"Fifth Gospel (D. 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Und auch diese Erscheinung war häufig, daß wenn Christus Jesus einmal seine Schar verließ — er trennte sich zuweilen von ihnen -, er doch unter ihnen war. Entweder wandelte er geistig mit ihnen, während er weit weg war, oder er war auch nur in seinem ätherischen Leibe bei ihnen. Sein Ätherleib war unter ihnen, sein Ätherleib wandelte auch mit ihnen im Lande umher, und man konnte oftmals nicht unterscheiden, ob er sozusagen den physischen Leib mithatte, oder ob es nur die Erscheinung des Ätherleibes war.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":133,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/148/1913-10-06/p067"},{"locus":"GA 148/1913-10-06/p068","passage_number":68,"text":"So war der Verkehr mit den Jüngern und mit mancherlei Menschen aus dem Volke, als der Jesus von Nazareth zum Christus Jesus geworden war. Er selber erlebte allerdings das, was ich schon angedeutet habe: Während die Christus-Wesenheit in den ersten Zeiten verhältnismäßig unabhängig war von dem Leibe des Jesus von Nazareth, mußte sie sich ihm später immer mehr und mehr anähneln. Und je mehr das Leben vorrückte, desto mehr war er gebunden an den Leib des Jesus von Nazareth, und ein tiefster Schmerz kam in dem letzten Jahre über ihn von dem Gebundensein an den dazu noch siech gewordenen Leib des Jesus von Nazareth. Aber doch kam es immer noch vor, daß Christus, der jetzt schon mit einer großen Schar umherzog, wiederum hinausging aus seinem Leibe. Da und dort wurde gesprochen, hier sprach dieser, dort jener aus der Apostelschar, und man konnte glauben, daß der, der da sprach, der Christus Jesus sei, oder daß es nicht der Christus Jesus sei: der Christus sprach durch sie alle, so lange sie in inniger Gemeinschaft mit ihm herumzogen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":175,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/148/1913-10-06/p068"},{"locus":"GA 148/1913-10-06/p069","passage_number":69,"text":"Man kann belauschen einmal ein Gespräch, wie die Pharisäer und jüdischen Schriftgelehrten miteinander sprachen und zueinander sagten: Zum Abschrecken für das Volk könnte man allerdings einen beliebigen aus dieser Schar herausgreifen und ihn töten; aber es könnte ebensogut ein falscher sein, denn alle sprechen sie gleich. Damit ist uns also nicht gedient, denn dann ist der wirkliche Christus Jesus vielleicht noch da. Wir müssen aber den wirklichen haben! — Nur die Jünger selber, diejenigen, die ihm schon nähergetreten waren, konnten ihn unterscheiden. Sie sagten aber ganz gewiß nicht dem Feinde, welcher der richtige sei.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":94,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/148/1913-10-06/p069"},{"locus":"GA 148/1913-10-06/p070","passage_number":70,"text":"Da war aber Ahriman stark genug geworden in bezug auf die Frage, die übriggeblieben war, die der Christus nicht in den geistigen Welten abmachen konnte, sondern nur auf Erden. Er mußte durch die schwerste Tat erfahren, was die Frage bedeutet, Steine zu Brot zu machen, oder was dasselbe ist, Geld zu Brot zu machen, denn Ahriman bediente sich des Judas aus Karioth.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":62,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/148/1913-10-06/p070"},{"locus":"GA 148/1913-10-06/p071","passage_number":71,"text":"So wie der Christus wirkte - kein geistiges Mittel hätte es gegeben, um ausfindig zu machen, welcher unter der Schar seiner Jünger, die ihn verehrten, der Christus war. Denn da, wo der Geist wirkte, wo auch noch das letzte von überzeugender Kraft wirkte, konnte man dem Christus nicht beikommen. Nur da, wo der war, der das Mittel anwendete, das der Christus nicht kannte, das er erst durch die schwerste Tat auf Erden kennenlernte, wo der Judas wirkte, konnte man ihm beikommen. Man hätte ihn nicht erkennen können durch etwas anderes als dadurch, daß sich einer fand, der sich in den Dienst des Ahriman stellte, der tatsächlich durch das Geld allein zu dem Verrat gekommen ist! Dadurch war Christus Jesus mit dem Judas verbunden, daß sich zugetragen hatte bei der Versuchungsgeschichte, was bei dem Gott begreiflich ist: daß der Christus, der eben herabgekommen war auf die Erde, nicht wußte, wie es nur für den Himmel richtig ist, daß man keine Steine zum Brot braucht. Weil Ahriman das als seinen Stachel behalten hatte, geschah der Verrat. Und dann mußte der Christus noch in die Herrschaft des Herrn des Todes kommen, insofern Ahriman der Herr des Todes ist. 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