{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 155/1914-07-15/p008","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"When we began to speak more of Lucifer and Ahriman, our experience was that many of those associated with us became uneasy; they still had a feeling of what people have always thought of Lucifer—that he is a fearful criminal to the world, against whom one must defend oneself. Naturally, an anthroposophist cannot go all the way with this feeling, for he has to assign to Lucifer an important role in the universe; and yet again, Lucifer must be regarded as an opponent of the progressive gods, as an enemy who crosses the creative plan of those gods to whom reverence is rightly due. Thus, when we speak of Lucifer in this way, we are ascribing an important role in the universe to an enemy of the gods. 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Ebenso muß von Ahriman gesagt werden, daß er eine wichtige Rolle spielt im Weltenganzen. Wir haben es ja, als begonnen wurde zuerst mehr über Luzifer und Ahriman zu sprechen, erlebt, daß Anthroposophen in einer gewissen Weise unruhig geworden sind. Sie haben auf der einen Seite, ich möchte sagen, noch solch ein Nachgefühl von dem, was man immer aus Luzifer gemacht hat: daß das eigentlich ein schrecklicher Verbrecher in der Welt ist, vor dem man sich nur hüten müsse. In dieses Gefühl gegenüber Luzifer kann natürlich der Anthroposoph nicht so ohne weiteres einstimmen, weil er Luzifer eine wichtige Rolle zuerteilen muß im Weltenganzen. Und dennoch wiederum, man muß Luzifer hinstellen als einen Gegner der fortschreitenden Götter, als einen Geist also, der den Schöpfungsplan in einer gewissen Weise durchkreuzt, als einen Feind derjenigen Götter, die wir eigentlich verehren müssen. 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