{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 155/1914-07-15_02/p005","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"A difficulty of course arises here, especially for the anthroposophical world conception. To be faced with this difficulty we need only direct our attention to the relationship of the concepts of ‘Guilt and Sin’ and of ‘Karma.’ Many people get over this by saying that they believe Karma to be a debt which a man contracts in anyone of his incarnations; he bears this debt with him, with his Karma, and discharges it later; this, in the course of incarnations, compensation is brought about. Here begins the difficulty. These people then say: ‘How can this be reconcilable with the Christian acceptation of the conception of the forgiveness of sins through Christ?’ And yet again the idea of the forgiveness of sins is intimately bound up with true Christianity. It is only necessary to think of this one example: Christ on the Cross between two malefactors. The malefactor on the left hand mocks at Christ: ‘If Thou wilt be God, help Thyself and us.’ The malefactor on the right held that the other ought not to speak thus, for both had merited their fate of crucifixion—the just award of their deeds; whereas He was innocent, and had yet to experience the same fate. The malefactor on the right added to this: ‘Think of me when Thou art in Thy Kingdom.’ And Christ answered him: ‘Verily, I say unto thee, to-day shalt thou be with Me in Paradise.’ It is not permissible merely to gainsay these words and omit them from the Gospel, for they are very significant. The difficulty arises from the question: If this malefactor on the right has to wash away what he has brought about in his Karma, what does it mean when Christ, as it were, pardoning and forgiving him, says: ‘To-day shalt thou be with Me in Paradise?’ It may appear that the malefactor on the right will have to wash away his debt with his Karma, even as the one on the left. Why is there a difference made by Christ between the malefactor on the right and the one on the left? There is no doubt at all that the conception of Karma is here met by a difficulty that is not easy to solve. It is solved however when we try to probe more deeply into Christianity by means of Spiritual Science. And now I shall approach the subject from quite another side, the nature of which is already known to you, but which can bring certain remarkable circumstances to light.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Christ and the Human Soul III","site_heading":null,"date":"1914-07-15","location":null,"word_count":418,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/155/1914-07-15_02/p005","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Henry Collison","identified_edition":null,"book_title":"How the Spiritual World Interpenetrates the Physical","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/SpiritPhys/19140715p02.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line"},"edition_coverage":{"de":["original"],"en":["English"]},"available_versions":[{"lang":"de","edition":"original","edition_basis":null,"is_original":true,"is_default_edition":true,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/155/1914-07-15_02/p005"},{"lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/155/1914-07-15_02/p005","paragraph_aligned":true}],"record":{"record_type":"unknown","scope":"volume","note":"How this text was taken down (shorthand transcript, listeners' notes or manuscript) is not on record here. 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Die Anthroposophen sagen dann leicht: Wie kann das vereinbar sein mit dem als christlich angenommenen Begriff zum Beispiel von der Sündenvergebung durch Christus? Und dennoch wiederum, mit wahrem Christentum ist der Begriff der Sündenvergebung durchaus verbunden. Man braucht zum Beispiel nur an das eine zu denken: Christus am Kreuz, zwischen den beiden Verbrechern. Der Verbrecher links spottet über Christus: «Wenn Du Gott sein willst, hilf Dir und uns!» (Lukas 23, 39) Der Verbrecher rechts sagt darauf: der andere solle nicht so sprechen, denn sie beide hätten eben ein Schicksal mit dem Kreuzestod verdient, das ihren Taten angemessen sei, der aber sei unschuldig und müsse das gleiche Schicksal erleben. Und es fügt hinzu der Verbrecher rechts: «Wenn Du in deinem Reiche bist, dann gedenke meiner.» Und es antwortet ihm Christus: « Wahrlich, ich sage dir, heute noch wirst du mit mir im Paradiese sein.» (Lukas 23, 42 u. 43) Dieses Wort läßt sich gewiß aus den Evangelien nicht einfach wegleugnen, auch nicht wegdisputieren, sondern es ist ein wichtiges, ein bedeutungsvolles Wort. Der Anthroposoph hat nun die Schwierigkeit, die ihm aus der Frage entsteht: Wenn der Verbrecher rechts dasjenige, was er angestellt hat, mit seinem Karma abzuwaschen hat, was soll es dann heißen, daß Christus, gleichsam ihm verzeihend, ihm vergebend sagt: «Heute noch wirst du mit mir im Paradiese sein» ? Der Anthroposoph kann sagen: Der Verbrecher rechts wird mit seinem Karma seine Schuld abzuwaschen haben wie der Verbrecher links.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":329,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/155/1914-07-15_02/p005"},{"locus":"GA 155/1914-07-15_02/p006","passage_number":6,"text":"Warum wird da durch Christus ein Unterschied gemacht zwischen dem Verbrecher rechts und dem Verbrecher links? Es ist ganz zweifellos, daß hier für die anthroposophische Karma-Auffassung eine Schwierigkeit vorliegt. Diese Schwierigkeit ist auch nicht leicht zu lösen; sie löst sich aber, wenn man gerade mit geisteswissenschaftlicher Forschung tiefer in das Christentum hineinschürft, wenn man tiefer hineinzukommen versucht in das Christentum. 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