{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 155/1914-07-15_02/p006","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"You know how often we speak of Lucifer and Ahriman, and how Lucifer and Ahriman are represented in my Mystery-Plays. When one begins to consider the thing in a human-anthropomorphic sense and simply makes of Lucifer a kind of inner and of Ahriman a kind of outer criminal, there will be difficulty in getting on; for we must not forget that Lucifer, besides being the bringer of evil into the world, the inner evil that arises through the passions, is also the bringer of freedom; Lucifer plays an important role in the universe. In the same way it must be said of Ahriman that he, too, plays an important part in the universe. When we began to speak more of Lucifer and Ahriman, it was our experience that many of those who were associated with us became uneasy; they still had a feeling left of what people have always thought of Lucifer, namely, that he is a fearful criminal in the world, against whom one must defend one's self. Feeling this about Lucifer they could not of course give unqualified assent to a different conception because they must assign to Lucifer an important role in the universe, and yet again Lucifer must be regarded as an opponent of progressive Gods, as a being who crosses the plan of those Gods to whom honor is rightly due. Thus, when we speak of Lucifer in this way, we are in effect ascribing an important role in the universe to an enemy of the Gods. And we must do the same in the case of Ahriman. From this point of view it is quite easy to understand the human feeling that asks: ‘What is the right attitude to adopt towards Lucifer and Ahriman; am I to love them or hate them?’ It should be quite clear from the way in which one speaks of Lucifer and Ahriman that they are beings who, by their whole nature do not belong to the physical plane, but have their mission and task in the Cosmos outside the physical plane, in the spiritual worlds. In the Munich lectures of the summer of 1913, I laid particular emphasis on the fact that the progressive Gods have assigned to Lucifer and Ahriman roles in the spiritual worlds; and that discrepancy and disharmony only appear when they bring down their activities into the physical plane, and arrogate to themselves rights which are not allotted to them. But we must submit to one thing, to which the human soul does not readily submit when these matters are under consideration, and it is this: that our judgment, our human judgment, as we pass it, holds good only for the physical plane, and that this judgment, right as it may be for the physical plane, cannot be simply transferred to the higher worlds. We must therefore gradually accustom ourselves in Anthroposophy to widen out our judgments and our world of concepts and ideas. It is because materialistically-minded men of the present day do not want to widen their judgment, but prefer to hold to that which holds good for the physical plane that they have such difficulty in understanding Anthroposophy, although it is all perfectly intelligible.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Christ and the Human Soul III","site_heading":null,"date":"1914-07-15","location":null,"word_count":533,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/155/1914-07-15_02/p006","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Henry Collison","identified_edition":null,"book_title":"How the Spiritual World Interpenetrates the Physical","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/SpiritPhys/19140715p02.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line"},"edition_coverage":{"de":["original"],"en":["English"]},"available_versions":[{"lang":"de","edition":"original","edition_basis":null,"is_original":true,"is_default_edition":true,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/155/1914-07-15_02/p006"},{"lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/155/1914-07-15_02/p006","paragraph_aligned":true}],"record":{"record_type":"unknown","scope":"volume","note":"How this text was taken down (shorthand transcript, listeners' notes or manuscript) is not on record here. 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Ebenso muß von Ahriman gesagt werden, daß er eine wichtige Rolle spielt im Weltenganzen. Wir haben es ja, als begonnen wurde zuerst mehr über Luzifer und Ahriman zu sprechen, erlebt, daß Anthroposophen in einer gewissen Weise unruhig geworden sind. Sie haben auf der einen Seite, ich möchte sagen, noch solch ein Nachgefühl von dem, was man immer aus Luzifer gemacht hat: daß das eigentlich ein schrecklicher Verbrecher in der Welt ist, vor dem man sich nur hüten müsse. In dieses Gefühl gegenüber Luzifer kann natürlich der Anthroposoph nicht so ohne weiteres einstimmen, weil er Luzifer eine wichtige Rolle zuerteilen muß im Weltenganzen. Und dennoch wiederum, man muß Luzifer hinstellen als einen Gegner der fortschreitenden Götter, als einen Geist also, der den Schöpfungsplan in einer gewissen Weise durchkreuzt, als einen Feind derjenigen Götter, die wir eigentlich verehren müssen. Wir schreiben also im Grunde genommen, wenn wir so über Luzifer sprechen, einem Götterfeind eine wichtige Rolle zu im Weltenganzen. Und in ähnlicher Weise müssen wir es ja auch bei Ahriman machen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":279,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/155/1914-07-15_02/p007"},{"locus":"GA 155/1914-07-15_02/p008","passage_number":8,"text":"Es ist begreiflich auf der einen Seite, daß nun das menschliche Gemüt kommt und sagt: Ja, was soll ich nun eigentlich mit diesem Luzifer und mit Ahriman anfangen; soll ich sie nun hassen oder lieben ? Ich weiß nicht recht, was ich mit ihnen anfangen soll! — Woher kommt das alles? Nun, wenn man von Luzifer und Ahriman spricht, dann muß doch deutlich werden aus der Art, wie man über sie spricht, daß man von ihnen spricht als von Wesen, die eigentlich in ihrer ganzen Eigentümlichkeit nicht dem physischen Plan angehören, die gewissermaßen ihre Mission und Aufgabe in der Welt haben außerhalb des physischen Planes, in den geistigen Welten. Insbesondere das letztemal bei den Münchener Vorträgen habe ich stark hervorgehoben, daß das Wesen dieser Sache darinnen liegt, daß Luzifer und Ahriman ihre ihnen von den fortschreitenden Göttern zuerteilte Rolle in den geistigen Welten haben, und daß eine Diskrepanz, eine Disharmonie nur auftritt, wenn sie ihre Rolle hineintragen in den physischen Plan und sich Rechte anmaßen, die ihnen eigentlich nicht zugeteilt sind. Aber wir müssen uns zu einem bequemen, meine lieben Freunde, zu dem die menschliche Seele sich nicht gerne bequemt, wenn man über diese Dinge redet, nämlich dazu, daß unser Urteil, unser menschliches Urteil, wie wir es fällen, eigentlich wirklich nur für den physischen Plan gilt, und daß dieses Urteil, wie es für den physischen Plan richtig ist, nicht einfach übertragen werden kann auf die höheren Welten. Deshalb müssen wir uns ja langsam und allmählich in die Anthroposophie hineinfinden, um unser Urteil zu erweitern, um unsere ganze Begriffsund Ideenwelt zu erweitern. Deshalb können die materialistisch denkenden Menschen der Gegenwart, trotzdem alles an der Anthroposophie zu begreifen ist, sie so schwer begreifen, weil sie ihr Urteil nicht erweitern wollen, sondern stehenbleiben wollen bei dem Urteil, das für den physischen Plan gilt.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":300,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/155/1914-07-15_02/p008"}],"english":["GA 155/1914-07-15_02/p006"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":579,"en_words":533,"ratio":0.92,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.0,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":6436,"original_word_count":6440,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Henry Collison","identified_edition":null,"book_title":"How the Spiritual World Interpenetrates the Physical","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/SpiritPhys/19140715p02.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line"},"entity_parity":{"status":"ok","checked_against":["GA 155/1914-07-15_02/p007","GA 155/1914-07-15_02/p008"],"missing_from_translation":[],"present_only_in_translation":[],"bead_confidence":"high","note":"Every load-bearing name in the German counterpart appears in this English passage. 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