{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 155/1914-07-15_02/p011","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Firstly, we must make a distinction. We must consider the one element that fulfils itself in Karma in an objective retribution. Here we must clearly understand that man is certainly subject to his Karma; that he has to make karmic compensation for unjust deeds, and when we think more deeply about it, a man will not actually wish otherwise. For suppose that a man has done another person wrong; in the moment of this wrong he is less perfect than before he had done it, and he can only attain the grade of perfection which was his before he committed the wrong by making compensation for it. He must wish to make compensation for the wrong; for only in such compensation does he create for himself the stage of perfection which was his before the act was committed. Thus, for the sake of our own perfecting we can wish nothing else than that Karma is there as objective justice. When we grasp the true meaning of human freedom, we can have no wish that a sin should be so forgiven us; that if, for example, we were to put a man's eyes out, the sin would be so forgiven us that we should no longer need to wipe it away in our Karma. A man who puts out the eyes of another is more imperfect than one who does not, and in his later Karma it must come to pass that he does a corresponding good act, for then only is he again the man that he was before he committed the act. So that when we rightly consider the nature of man, there can be no thought within us that when a man has put out the eyes of another it will be forgiven him, and that Karma will be in some way adjusted. It is fully justified in Karma that we are not excused a farthing, but that the debt must be paid to the uttermost.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Christ and the Human Soul III","site_heading":null,"date":"1914-07-15","location":null,"word_count":328,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/155/1914-07-15_02/p011","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Henry Collison","identified_edition":null,"book_title":"How the Spiritual World Interpenetrates the Physical","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/SpiritPhys/19140715p02.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line"},"edition_coverage":{"de":["original"],"en":["English"]},"available_versions":[{"lang":"de","edition":"original","edition_basis":null,"is_original":true,"is_default_edition":true,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/155/1914-07-15_02/p011"},{"lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/155/1914-07-15_02/p011","paragraph_aligned":true}],"record":{"record_type":"unknown","scope":"volume","note":"How this text was taken down (shorthand transcript, listeners' notes or manuscript) is not on record here. 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Wir müssen das eine betrachten, was sich in einer objektiven Gerechtigkeit im Karma vollzieht. Da müssen wir uns ganz klar darüber sein, daß der Mensch allerdings seinem Karma unterworfen ist, daß er dasjenige, was er als Unrecht getan hat, karmisch auszugleichen hat. Und bei tieferem Nachdenken wird der Mensch eigentlich nicht anders wollen, als daß es so sei. Denn nehmen Sie an, irgend jemand habe ein Unrecht getan. In dem Augenblick, wo er dieses Unrecht tun konnte, ist er unvollkommener, als wenn er es nicht getan hätte, und er kann den Grad von Vollkommenheit, den er hatte, bevor er das Unrecht tat, erst wiedererringen, wenn er das Unrecht ausgleicht. Er muß also wünschen, das Unrecht auszugleichen, denn nur indem man es ausgleicht, indem man den Ausgleich erarbeitet, schafft man sich den Grad von Vollkommenheit, den man vorher hatte, bevor man die Tat vollbracht hat. So können wir um unserer eigenen Vervollkommnung willen gar nichts anderes wünschen, als daß das Karma als objektive Gerechtigkeit bestehe. Es kann also im Grunde genommen vor der Auffassung der menschlichen Freiheit gar nicht der Wunsch entstehen, es solle uns irgendwelche Sünde vergeben werden etwa in dem Sinne, daß wir zum Beispiel heute einem Menschen die Augen ausstechen und uns dann diese Sünde vergeben wird, wir dann diese Sünde in unserem Karma nicht mehr abzutragen brauchen. Ein Mensch, der einem anderen die Augen aussticht, ist unvollkommener als ein Mensch, der es nicht getan hat, und im weiteren Karma muß das eintreten, daß er eine entsprechende Guttat dafür tut; dann erst ist er wiederum in sich der Mensch, der er war, bevor er die Tat vollbracht hat. Also es kann im Grunde genommen gar nicht der Gedanke aufkommen, wenn man wirklich über das Wesen des Menschen nachdenkt, daß, wenn man einem Menschen die Augen aussticht, einem das vergeben wird und daß dann das Karma etwa ausgeglichen wäre. 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