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The astral body dulls in relation to the habit of tasting; but the word “habit” is used in the sense in which I used it yesterday; little by little it dulls. But if the stimulus is no longer exerted on the astral body and thereby also on the etheric body and the physical body, which finds its expression in the fact that one tastes, then the possibility no longer exists for the astral body to permeate the life events of the etheric body and the physical body through taste experiences. A good deal of what we call aging is based on the astral body becoming dulled to tasting, and the fact that a single human organ loses the fresh ability to taste, that is, is not permeated by its astral body in the appropriate way, results in organ diseases.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":215,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/156/1914-12-13/p010","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"How Does One Enter the World of Ideas?","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA156/English/SOL2024/19141213p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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For what one experiences in tasting lettuce and spinach are living relationships between the macrocosm and the microcosm, and these living relationships continue in the subconscious taste experience of the astral body, which passes through all the organs. Those who become vegetarians, for example, should not associate this with false asceticism, for instance by using their vegetarianism to dull themselves as much as possible to the friendly relationship with the nature of nature. Instead, they should develop the ability to taste the subtle differences between the individual food types. One can do this particularly well as a vegetarian because one is able – if the word is not misunderstood, I would like to say – to taste those fine, refined differences between the individual plants and what one prepares from them as food, whereas, of course, if one is not a vegetarian, one has more brutal differences with meat dishes. Because if we become blunted in this respect, there is a real danger that we will extend this blunting from the conscious part of the astral taste experiences to the subconscious part of the taste experiences. But by doing so, we cut off the living influences that emanate from the astral body to the lower limbs of our organism. And it is an uncomfortable sight to come to some vegetarian restaurants and see how people pile a mountain of all kinds of mixed food on their plates and stuff it into their mouths without understanding, and then act particularly superior to what the ordinary person has in terms of a friendly relationship with their natural environment when it comes to taste experiences.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":375,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/156/1914-12-13/p011","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"How Does One Enter the World of Ideas?","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA156/English/SOL2024/19141213p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Once our understanding of the outer experience in relation to eating is penetrated by our understanding of the astral body and its workings, then a healthy hygiene of eating will really arise, and we will need it because the unconscious instinctive life of the human race will gradually be lost and must be replaced by a conscious relationship with the cosmic environment.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":69,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/156/1914-12-13/p012","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"How Does One Enter the World of Ideas?","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA156/English/SOL2024/19141213p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Denn es beruht auf der normalen Entwickelung dieser Organgeschmäcke überhaupt die normale Entwickelung des Menschenlebens, und das Altern besteht zum Teil darin, daß der Astralleib allmählich gegenüber der Gewohnheit des Schmeckens sich abstumpft. Verstehen Sie mich wohl. Der Astralleib stumpft sich in bezug auf die Gewohnheit des Schmeckens ab; das Wort «Gewohnheit» aber in dem Sinne gebraucht, wie ich es gestern gebraucht habe; nach und nach stumpft er sich ab. Wenn aber nicht mehr der Reiz auf den Astralleib und dadurch auch auf den Ätherleib und den physischen Leib ausgeübt wird, was seinen Ausdruck darin findet, daß geschmeckt wird, dann findet überhaupt die Möglichkeit nicht mehr statt, daß der Astralleib durch Geschmackserlebnisse die Lebensgeschehnisse des Ätherleibes und des physischen Leibes durchdringt. Darauf, daß der Astralleib sich abstumpft gegenüber dem Schmecken, beruht ein gutes Stück dessen, was wir das Altern nennen, und darauf, daß ein einzelnes menschliches Organ die frische Fähigkeit des Schmeckens verliert, das heißt, von seinem Astralleib nicht in der entsprechenden Weise durchzogen ist, entstehen die Organerkrankungen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":202,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/156/1914-12-13/p010"},{"locus":"GA 156/1914-12-13/p011","passage_number":11,"text":"Nun verstehen Sie, daß unter dieser Voraussetzung bestimmte Perspektiven sich ergeben. Die Perspektive erstens, die in pädagogisch-hygienischer Weise wichtig ist: Es ist nicht zu gering anzuschlagen, einen gut entwickelten Geschmacksinstinkt zu haben. Ich habe das bei einer Gelegenheit, wo ich über die Erziehung des Kindes gesprochen habe, schon einmal für unsere Freunde auseinandergesetzt. Es ist wichtig einzusehen, daß man im Essen eine lebendige Beziehung entwickeln soll zu den verschiedenen Nahrungsmitteln, daß es einem gewissermaßen nicht einerlei ist, ob man Salat oder Spinat ißt, sondern daß man ein lebendiges Verhältnis haben soll zu den Differenzierungen der Pflanzenwelt in Salat und Spinat. Denn das, was man erlebt im Schmecken von Salat und Spinat, sind lebendige Beziehungen des Makrokosmos zum Mikrokosmos, und diese lebendigen Beziehungen setzen sich im unterbewußten Geschmackserleben des Astralleibes fort, das durch alle Organe geht. Diejenigen, die Vegetarier werden zum Beispiel, sollten durchaus damit nicht eine falsche Askese verbinden, indem sie ihr Vegetarierwerden etwa dazu verwenden, um sich möglichst abzustumpfen gegen das freundschaftliche Verhältnis zu dem Wesen der Natur, sondern sie sollten gerade das ausbilden, feine Unterschiede zu erschmecken gegenüber den einzelnen Nahrungsgattungen. Man kann das besonders gut als Vegetarier, weil man da in die Lage kommt - wenn das Wort nicht mißverstanden wird, möchte ich sagen -, jene feinen raffinierten Unterschiede zu schmecken zwischen den einzelnen Pflanzen und dem, was man als Speise von ihnen bereitet, während man ja natürlich, wenn man nicht Vegetarier ist, bei den Fleischspeisen brutalere Unterschiede hat. Denn wenn wir uns in dieser Beziehung abstumpfen, droht es uns wirklich, diese Abstumpfung von dem bewußten Teil der astralischen Geschmackserlebnisse fortzusetzen in den unterbewußten Teil der Geschmackserlebnisse. Damit aber unterbinden wir die lebendigen Einwirkungen, die von dem Astralleib ausgehen auf die unteren Glieder unseres Organismus. Und es ist ein unbehaglicher Anblick, in manches vegetarische Restaurant zu kommen und zu sehen, wie sich die Leute auf den Teller ein Gebirge von allen möglichen durcheinandergemischten Nahrungsmitteln häufen und das ohne Verständnis in den Mund hineinstopfen, und sich dabei noch besonders erhaben geben über dasjenige, was der gewöhnliche Mensch als ein freundschaftliches Verhältnis zu seiner Naturumgebung in bezug auf die Geschmackserlebnisse hat.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":352,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/156/1914-12-13/p011"},{"locus":"GA 156/1914-12-13/p012","passage_number":12,"text":"Das ist das eine, meine lieben Freunde. Wenn einmal durchdrungen werden wird das Verständnis des äußeren Erlebens in bezug auf das Essen von dem Verständnis des Astralleibes und seiner Wirkungsweise, dann wird sich wirklich eine gesunde Hygiene des Essens ergeben, und die werden wir brauchen, weil jenes unbewußte Instinktleben dem Menschengeschlecht allmählich verlorengehen wird und ersetzt werden muß durch ein bewußtes Verhältnis zu der kosmischen Umgebung.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":66,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/156/1914-12-13/p012"}],"beads":[{"from":[10],"to":[10],"confidence":"high","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[11],"to":[11],"confidence":"high","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[12],"to":[12],"confidence":"high","pairing_state":"proposed"}],"note":"Paired by the paragraph aligner; each language numbers its own paragraphs. A bead at either end of the span can carry text beyond it (the `from` numbers show what each bead covers)."}}