{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 156/1914-12-13/p022","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"The fact that there has always been a presentiment of what spiritual science must one day bring to clear consciousness has often been touched upon here, especially in this place, and even provided with external evidence. Again and again we have to be reminded that, while spiritual science is in a certain sense something radically new in our time, it was well prepared in the entire newer spiritual life, so that wherever there is active spiritual life, intuitions have arisen not only of spiritual scientific knowledge, but intuitions of the far-reaching significance of this spiritual scientific knowledge. You see, the following is an interesting example: a European spirit once tried to reflect on which influences had become particularly significant for his inner life. This European spirit, who was thinking about which influences had become particularly significant for his inner life, then mentioned three relatively newer spirits that had had a great influence on his life. He mentions Emerson, whom you have also characterized from certain points of view in these lectures, Ruysbroek and the German mystic Novalis. These three spirits have had a particular influence on this Central European spirit, as he himself explains. Now this European spirit seeks to gain a certain measure of what must enter into human spiritual life if this spiritual life is to truly experience the necessary new fertilization. And here the spirit says something most remarkable. It says: If you look, for example, at Shakespeare or Sophocles, you will find that human conflicts are presented, but ultimately - so the person concerned thinks - what kind of conflicts are they that play out around Hamlet and Ophelia, around Antigone or Electra? Of course, he says, they are highly significant conflicts for the earthly beings called human beings, but, he says, if a spirit were to come down from another planet, that is, from completely different experiences, from a planet where experiences are completely different, he would not be particularly interested in what is going on around Ophelia or Wallenstein or Mary Stuart. That may interest people from the earth, but if a spirit came from another planet, he would demand that people have something to tell him that is not only of interest to creatures from the earth, but that is of interest to creatures that belong to the cosmos in the broader sense. And the person in question believes that there are still very few such souls who have something to say that could also give a spirit descending to earth something. And the thinker in question counts the poet Novalis among these souls. He finds the soul experiences in Novalis's poetry so fine, so intimate, so brought out of what cannot only interest people, what does not only live in the temporal, but what weaves and lives in the eternal, so that for such a spirit as Novalis, a being could also be interested that descended from another planet. I will read to you the words he wrote when he got to know Novalis, or got to know what Novalis has to give as his soul experiences. They are very beautiful words, so beautiful that I would like to read what the thinker in question has to say with reference to the Novalis experiences:","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Second Lecture","site_heading":"The Four Members and Cosmic-Astral Correspondences","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Sehen Sie, ein interessantes Beispiel ist das folgende: Ein europäischer Geist versuchte einmal nachzudenken darüber, welche Einflüsse auf sein inneres Leben ganz besonders bedeutsam geworden sind. Dieser europäische Geist, der also nachdachte, welche Einflüsse auf sein inneres Leben ganz besonders bedeutsam geworden sind, erwähnte dann drei verhältnismäßig neuere Geister, die auf sein Leben großen Einfluß gehabt haben. Er erwähnt den Ihnen ja auch in diesen Vorträgen hier von gewissen Gesichtspunkten aus charakterisierten Emerson, er erwähnt Ruysbroek und den deutschen Mystiker Novalis. Diese drei Geister haben einen besonderen Einfluß auf diesen mitteleuropäischen Geist gehabt - so setzt er selber auseinander. Nun sucht er einen gewissen Maßstab zu gewinnen, dieser europäische Geist, für das, was in das Geistesleben der Menschen wird einziehen müssen, wenn dieses Geistesleben die notwendige neue Befruchtung wird wirklich erfahren sollen, und da sagt dieser Geist etwas höchst Merkwürdiges. Er sagt: Wenn man so einen Blick zum Beispiel auf Shakespeare oder Sophokles lenkt, so findet man, daß da menschliche Konflikte zur Darstellung gebracht werden, aber schließlich - so meint der Betreffende -, was sind denn das für Konflikte, die um Hamlet und Ophelia, um Antigone oder Elektra sich abspielen? Gewiß - so meint er für die irdischen Wesen, die man Menschen nennt, höchst bedeutungsvolle Konflikte, aber - so meint der Betreffende -, wenn ein Geist von einem anderen Planeten herunterkommen würde, also aus ganz anderen Erlebnissen heraus, von einem Planeten, wo ganz andersartige Erlebnisse sind, er würde sich nicht sonderlich interessieren können für das, was sich um die Ophelia herum abspielt oder um Wallenstein oder um Maria Stuart. Das kann Erdenmenschen interessieren; wenn aber ein Geist von einem andern Planeten käme, würde er verlangen, daß die Menschen ihm etwas zu erzählen haben, was nicht bloß Erdenwesen interessiert, sondern was Wesen interessiert, die eben im weiteren Umfang dem Kosmos angehören. Und derartige Seelen - meint der Betreffende - gibt es noch recht wenige, welche so etwas zu sagen haben, daß das auch einem Geist, der sich auf die Erde niedersenkt, etwas geben könnte. Und zu diesen Seelen zählt der betreffende Denker den Dichter Novalis. Die Seelenerlebnisse in Novalis’ Dichtungen findet er so fein, so intim, so aus dem herausgeholt, was nicht nur Menschen interessieren kann, was nicht nur im Zeitlichen lebt, sondern was im Ewigen webt und lebt, so daß sich für einen solchen Geist wie Novalis auch ein Wesen interessieren könnte, welches von einem anderen Planeten sich niedersenkte. Ich will Ihnen die Worte vorlesen, die er schrieb, als er Novalis kennenlernte, oder dasjenige kennenlernte, was Novalis als seine Seelenerlebnisse zu geben hat. Es sind sehr schöne Worte, so schön, daß ich vorlesen möchte, was der betreffende Denker gerade mit Bezug auf die Novalis-Erlebnisse zu sagen hat:","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":539,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/156/1914-12-13/p021"}],"english":["GA 156/1914-12-13/p022"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":539,"en_words":542,"ratio":1.01,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.05,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":5971,"original_word_count":5709,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"How Does One Enter the World of Ideas?","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA156/English/SOL2024/19141213p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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