{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 157/1915-03-02_02/p022","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Your can see, of course, what this is all about. Having first of all gone through the gate of death we are then outside the body, and out there we can only use the forces of the wilt. We must fit into the cosmic harmonies. The forces to be used out there are also within us, it is only that they function at an unconscious level—the forces that make the blood move, make our hearts beat, derive from spiritual entities. And we become immersed in these when we immerse ourselves in the element of will. These forces are within us. If someone is taken hold of by the element of will without having followed the regular esoteric path, without having gone through the gate of death, he is taken hold of by the forces that normally circulate in his blood, beat to his heart. He is then not using the forces that exist outside his body but the forces present within his body. This would be ‘grey magic’. It would induce a person to intervene in the spiritual world of his Own accord with forces we should not use to intervene in the spiritual world. So it is important that we see the lion at this point, that we truly have this beast before us and know: That is what it looks like, that is how the forces of will want to take hold of us, and we must lay hold of it out there outside the body. If we do not go up to the second door we shall not see the lion and shall then be in permanent danger of wanting to rule the world out of human egotism. The right path to knowledge is the one that leads first of all out of the physical body and existence as a human being, after which we approach the relationship we will need to form with the entities of the spiritual world.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"8. Three Decisions on the Path of Imaginative Perception","site_heading":null,"date":"1915-03-02","location":null,"word_count":323,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/157/1915-03-02_02/p022","alignment_confidence":"medium","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Anna R. Meuss","identified_edition":"RSP1987","book_title":"The Destinies of Individuals and of Nations","publisher":"Rudolf Steiner Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA157/English/RSP1987/19150302p02.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Wenn also jemand, ohne daß er den geordneten esoterischen Weg durchmacht, ergriffen wird vom Willenselement — ohne daß er durch die Pforte des Todes gegangen ist —, dann ergreifen ihn diejenigen Kräfte, die sonst in seinem Blut zirkulieren, in seinem Herzen pochen. Dann verwendet er die Kräfte nicht, die außerhalb seines Leibes, sondern die Kräfte, die in ihm sind. Das würde graue Magie sein. Das würde den Menschen veranlassen, von sich aus in die geistige Welt einzugreifen mit den Kräften, mit denen wir nicht in die geistige Welt eingreifen dürfen. Und daß man nun den Löwen sieht, daß man dieses Untier wirklich vor sich hat, daß man weiß, so sieht es aus, so wollen einen die Willenskräfte erfassen, und man muß sich ihrer draußen außer dem Leibe bemächtigen — darauf kommt es an. Tritt man nicht an das zweite Tor heran, sieht man ihn nicht, den Löwen, so steht man immer in Gefahr, aus dem menschlichen Egoismus heraus die Welt beherrschen zu wollen. Daher ist der richtige Erkenntnisweg der: zuerst heraus aus dem physischen Leibe und dem physischen Menschensein, und dann erst draußen herantreten an das Verhältnis, in das man einzugehen hat mit den Wesenheiten, die draußen sind. Nun, dem steht ja gegenüber der Hang der meisten Menschen, wirklich auf eine bequemere Weise als durch gute Meditation in die geistige Welt hineinzukommen. So zum Beispiel kann man die Pforte des Todes vermeiden und, wenn die inneren Anlagen günstig sind, an das zweite Tor herantreten. Das erreicht man dadurch, daß man sich besonderen Vorstellungen, insbesondere inbrünstigen Vorstellungen hingibt, die so ein allgemeines Aufgehen in dem ganzen All darstellen sollen. Vorstellungen, die angeraten werden von dem oder jenem halbwissenden Mystiker, in gutem Glauben angeraten werden. Dadurch betäubt man sich über das Gedankenstreben hinweg und regt direkt das Gefühl an. Man peitscht das Gefühl an, man enthusiasmiert das Gefühl. Dadurch kann man allerdings zunächst an das zweite Tor gelangen und wird auch den Willenskräften übergeben, aber man beherrscht den Löwen nicht, sondern man wird von ihm verschlungen, und der Löwe tut mit einem, was er will. Das heißt: es geschehen im Grunde genommen okkulte, aber im wesentlichen egoistische Dinge. Daher ist es wirklich immer wieder notwendig, aber auch, man möchte sagen, etwas riskant, vom Gesichtspunkte wahrer echter Gegenwarts-Esoterik nicht zu verweisen auf all das, was eine nur Gefühl und Empfindung aufpeitschende Mystik ist. 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