{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 165/1916-01-16/p030","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"The second thing was to declare, in opposition to Gnosticism, that there was not only an ethereal Christ in the time of the Mystery of Golgotha, but that this Christ was really connected, not mixed, with the man Jesus of Nazareth. It had therefore to be established on the one hand that the Christ was connected with the spiritual, and on the other hand that the Christ was connected with Jesus of Nazareth, the natural evolution on earth, and that when suffering, dying, rising and all that death, resurrection and all that has yet to take place in imitation of the Mystery of Golgotha, is not something in which the Christ does not participate, but that He really suffers in the flesh. The Gnostics had to deny that the Christ suffered in the body because He was not connected to the body; for the Gnostics, at least for certain Gnostics, it was only an apparent suffering. In contrast to this, it should be stated that the Christ was really connected to the body in such a way that He suffered in the body. So all the events that had taken place on the external physical plane were to be connected with the Christ. Therefore: I believe in Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, born of the Holy Ghost and Mary the Virgin, who suffered under Pontius Pilate, died, rose again on the third day, and ascended into heaven – that is, became spiritual again – and is seated at the right hand of the Father, judging the living and the dead.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Second Lecture","site_heading":"Bridging Clairvoyance and Reason: The Trinity's Emergence","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. Cite the unit by its title and locus, never by this heading, and do not quote it.","date":"1916-01-16","location":null,"word_count":263,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/165/1916-01-16/p030","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2025","book_title":"The Conceptual World and Its Relationship to Reality","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA165/English/SOL2025/19160116p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. The translator IS verified for this lecture: its own source names the translator (evidence: the lecture's page, rsarchive's lecture list, or the cover of the book it was published in), and that page's text was matched against this unit (see match_score and source_url). Cite the translator with confidence; attribute the publisher only as probable."},"edition_coverage":{"de":["original"],"en":["English"]},"available_versions":[{"lang":"de","edition":"original","edition_basis":null,"is_original":true,"is_default_edition":true,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/165/1916-01-16/p030"},{"lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/165/1916-01-16/p030","paragraph_aligned":true}],"record":{"record_type":"unknown","scope":"volume","note":"How this text was taken down (shorthand transcript, listeners' notes or manuscript) is not on record here. Unknown is not an assurance of a stenogram: check the edition's own notes before resting an argument on one word.","evidence":null,"evidence_translation":null,"evidence_source":null},"paired_german":{"status":"paired","german":[{"locus":"GA 165/1916-01-16/p030","passage_number":30,"text":"Das zweite war: gegen die Gnosis festzulegen, daß es nicht bloß einen ätherischen Christus gab in der Zeit des Mysteriums von Golgatha, sondern daß dieser Christus wirklich verbunden war mit dem Menschen Jesus von Nazareth, nicht vermischt, aber verbunden. Es mußte also auf der einen Seite festgelegt werden, daß der Christus zusammenhing mit dem Geistigen, und auf der andern Seite, daß der Christus zusammenhing mit dem Jesus von Nazareth, der natürlichen Entwickelung auf der Erde, und daß, wenn sich das Leiden, das Sterben, das Auferstehen und alles das vollzogen hat, was noch geschehen wird in Anlehnung an das Mysterium von Golgatha, daß das nicht etwas ist, woran der Christus nicht teilnimmt, sondern daß er wirklich im Leibe leidet. Die Gnostiker mußten leugnen, daß der Christus im Leibe gelitten hat, weil er ja nicht mit dem Leibe verbunden war; es war nur ein Scheinleiden für die Gnostiker, wenigstens für gewisse Gnostiker. — Demgegenüber sollte festgestellt werden, daß der Christus mit dem Leib wirklich so verbunden war, daß er im Leibe litt. Also all die Ereignisse, die sich auf dem äußeren physischen Plan vollzogen hatten, sollten verbunden werden mit dem Christus. Daher: Ich glaube an Jesus Christus, den eingeborenen Sohn Gottes, geboren aus dem Heiligen Geist und Maria der Jungfrau, der gelitten hat unter Pontius Pilatus, gestorben ist, am dritten Tage auferstanden ist, der in den Himmel aufgefahren — das heißt: wieder geistig geworden - ist, der da sitzet zur Rechten des Vaters, zu richten die Lebendigen und die Toten.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":248,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/165/1916-01-16/p030"}],"english":["GA 165/1916-01-16/p030"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":248,"en_words":263,"ratio":1.06,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","anchors","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.02,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":9551,"original_word_count":9343,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2025","book_title":"The Conceptual World and Its Relationship to Reality","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA165/English/SOL2025/19160116p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. The translator IS verified for this lecture: its own source names the translator (evidence: the lecture's page, rsarchive's lecture list, or the cover of the book it was published in), and that page's text was matched against this unit (see match_score and source_url). Cite the translator with confidence; attribute the publisher only as probable."},"entity_parity":{"status":"ok","checked_against":["GA 165/1916-01-16/p030"],"missing_from_translation":[],"present_only_in_translation":[],"bead_confidence":"high","note":"Every load-bearing name in the German counterpart appears in this English passage. That is a check on NAMES only: a translation can keep every name and still reverse who acts on whom, change a number, or soften a claim. Read the German for anything you intend to rest an argument on."},"note":"quote_safe certifies the bytes of this text. This block is about the translation as a WITNESS: who made it, and whether it carries the same names as the original. See witness_completeness for how much of the original this witness holds."}}