{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 165/1916-01-16/p036","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"The second current was the one that was more oriented towards cultivating the Christ; it may have taught all kinds of things about the Holy Spirit, but essentially it cultivates the Christ. It is the church that spread from Rome in the Occident and had the tendency to cultivate the Christ. Think of it: in all areas where this church was active, it basically wanted to cultivate the Christ; wherever you look, there is the Christ. Wherever you look, this church is significant in the one-sided cultivation of the middle article of faith in the Creed. Only in recent times has this church tried to penetrate the Father principle as well. But because they do not know the actual inner connection, they cannot establish the right relationship between Christ and the Father. And this incorrect recognition of the relationship between Christ and the Father is what causes all the discussions in modern Protestantism. It pushes from Christ towards the Father. This can be observed again in our time. The sad events of the present have also brought about the fact that individual souls, rather numerous souls, have been imbued with religious consciousness by these events; this can be proven. But Christ reigns very little in this manifestation of the new religious consciousness; much more the father principle, the general principle of God, by which is meant the father principle. Anyone who is able to observe correctly in the world can see this everywhere. I would like to describe just one small symptom to you. During our last stay in Berlin, a dear member died and was cremated in Berlin. I set the condition – due to the prevailing circumstances it was necessary – that a minister speak. He was a very dear man and very much in agreement with me speaking afterwards. But lo and behold, he now gave a truly soul-stirring speech, and one had the feeling, as he spoke of God the Father, that he spoke deeply inwardly from the soul. And the whole time I listened to him and realized: This is actually a confirmation of what spiritual science in general must show: The Christ has been cultivated, now people have gone astray; when one speaks of religious life, one only comes to the father principle. — Many letters that come from the field, whose writers have deepened religiously, speak little of Christ, everywhere of the principle that must be seen as the father principle. — Anyone who studies this can see this. And then, at the end, because Christmas was just around the corner, the pastor mentioned Christ. This was so far-fetched because, as a Christian, he now thought it might be advisable to speak of Christ. You couldn't find any appeal or meaning in it. — And such phenomena are now increasing every moment.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Second Lecture","site_heading":"Bridging Clairvoyance and Reason: The Trinity's Emergence","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Aber weil man nicht den eigentlichen inneren Zusammenhang kennt, so bekommt man kein rechtes Verhältnis zwischen dem Christus und dem Vater heraus. Und dieses nicht richtige Erkennen des Verhältnisses zwischen Christus und dem Vater, das ist dasjenige, was alle Diskussionen im modernen Protestantismus verursacht. Es drängt von dem Christus zu dem Vater hin. Wieder gerade in unserer Zeit kann man das beobachten. Die traurigen Ereignisse der Gegenwart haben auch das gebracht, daß einzelne Seelen, vielmehr zahlreiche Seelen, durch diese Ereignisse von religiösem Bewußtsein durchdrungen worden sind; man kann das nachweisen. Aber, sehr wenig herrscht der Christus bei diesem Aufleuchten des neuen religiösen Bewußtseins; viel mehr das Vaterprinzip, das allgemeine Gottesprinzip, womit das Vaterprinzip gemeint ist. Der etwas richtig in der Welt beobachten kann, dem kann das überall auffallen. Ich möchte Ihnen nur ein kleines Symptom schildern. Während unseres letzten Aufenthalts in Berlin starb ein liebes Mitglied, das in Berlin kremiert wurde. Ich stellte die Bedingung — aus den obwaltenden Verhältnissen heraus war es notwendig -, daß ein Pastor sprach. Das war ein sehr lieber Mann, der sehr einverstanden war, daß ich nachher etwas sprach. Aber siehe da, er hielt nun wirklich eine seelenergreifende Rede, und man hatte so das Gefühl, wie er von Gott dem Vater sprach, daß er tief innerlich seelisch sprach. Und die ganze Zeit hörte ich ihm zu und stellte fest: Das ist eigentlich eine Bestätigung desjenigen, was einem im allgemeinen die Geisteswissenschaft zeigen muß: Der Christus ist gepflegt worden, jetzt ist man irre geworden; wenn man vom religiösen Leben spricht, kommt man nurmehr zum Vaterprinzip. — Viele Briefe, die aus dem Felde kommen, deren Schreiber sich religiös vertieften, sie sprechen wenig von Christus, überall von dem Prinzip, das man als das Vaterprinzip ansehen muß. — Wer sich damit beschäftigt, kann dies sehen. - Und dann zum Schluß, weil Weihnachten vor der Türe stand, erwähnte der Pastor den Christus. Das war so an den Haaren herbeigezogen, weil er nun als Christ fand, es könnte sich empfehlen, von Christus zu sprechen. Man konnte gar keinen Anklang und Sinn dabei finden. — Und solche Erscheinungen mehren sich jetzt alle Augenblicke.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":457,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/165/1916-01-16/p036"}],"english":["GA 165/1916-01-16/p036"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":457,"en_words":469,"ratio":1.03,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","anchors","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.02,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":9551,"original_word_count":9343,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2025","book_title":"The Conceptual World and Its Relationship to Reality","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA165/English/SOL2025/19160116p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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