{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 173c/1917-01-20/p015","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"But if the living go to meet the dead by developing the fine attuning that arises when one concerns oneself a great deal with super-sensible ideas, then the dead can enter that floating and weaving world which extricates itself from the bodily aspect and takes no account of it. Today everything depends on whether human souls will find it possible, in some measure, to tread the path which leads to the dead. For then the dead will come to meet them. There must be a meeting in a common realm.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture XXI","site_heading":"Ceremonial Magic, Dead Souls, and Ahrimanic Immortality","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Aber sie wird wiederkommen, nur in einer andern Form, und sie wird kommen dadurch, daß sich die Menschen die Stimmung erwerben, welche wirklich über die Seele kommen kann durch die Geisteswissenschaft, durch die Betätigung, durch das Leben in den geisteswissenschaftlichen Vorstellungen über das Übersinnliche. Da wird es möglich, daß die Seele zu feinen Stimmungen kommt, und in diese feinen Stimmungen kommen wiederum herein die Seelen der sogenannten Toten. Die sind zwar immer da, aber daß sie bewußt in die Seelensphäre hereinkommen, darum handelt es sich ja jetzt. Gewiß, die Toten umschweben denjenigen immer, mit dem sie karmisch verbunden waren im Leben. Aber daß sie in sein Bewußtsein hereinwirken, dazu ist notwendig, daß man ihnen entgegenkommt mit der Stimmung, die ich eben jetzt andeutete. Denn sehen Sie, möglich ist es immer für die Toten, den Zugang zu finden zur Menschenseele, wenn die Menschenseele sich mit ihrem Seelenleben in einer solchen Stimmung bewegt, wie ich es angedeutet habe, wenn gewissermaßen in einer übersinnlichen Sphäre die Begriffe und Ideen leben, die die Menschenseele sich bildet. Dasjenige, was der Tote fliehen muß, in das der Tote nicht hinein kann, das ist das Leibliche, das Physische des Menschen. Da kann der Tote nicht hinein, zunächst nicht hinein. Also in die Gedanken, die nur in Anlehnung an die physische Welt aus dem Gehirn aufsteigen, in diese Gedanken kann der Tote nicht hinein. Und weil die Menschen heute zumeist nur solche Gedanken haben, die aus dem Gehirn aufsteigen, ist den Toten so schwer ein Zugang zu den Lebenden möglich. Aber wenn die Lebenden den Toten entgegenkommen, indem sie die Stimmung entwickeln, die eben dadurch da ist, daß man sich viel mit übersinnlichen Vorstellungen beschäftigt, dann können die Toten in dieses Schweben und Weben der Seele herein, welches sich abzieht von dem Leiblichen, welches sich nicht beschäftigt mit dem Leiblichen. Alles in unserer heutigen Zeit hängt davon ab, daß die Menschenseelen die Möglichkeit finden, gewissermaßen den Weg zu den Toten hinzugehen. Dann kommen ihnen die Toten entgegen. 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