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But the whole disposition of our feelings and sensations working, perhaps one could say, through our blood which flows down to us from our ancestors, is not suited to placing before our soul in a proper way the delicate and intimate manifestations and revelations which come from the dead. Instead our feelings are like flickering lights, excitable flickering lights which interpose themselves in front of these subtle impulses which are today still so very delicate and intimate.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture XXI","site_heading":"Ceremonial Magic, Dead Souls, and Ahrimanic Immortality","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Und gegen diese Gefühle und Empfindungen bleibt dasjenige, was aus der Geisteswissenschaft heute kommt, vielfach noch eine abstrakte Theorie. Man ist überzeugt, daß dasjenige wahr ist, was die Geisteswissenschaft über die übersinnlichen Welten sagt. Gewiß, aber es ist noch nicht so übergegangen in das ganze seelische Leben, daß man jene Empfindungen und Gefühle zu entwickeln vermag, welche nicht störend sind für jenes feine, intime Hereinspielen desjenigen, was von dem Toten ausgeht. Diese Dinge im rechten Lichte zu sehen, ist nicht leicht. Der heutige Mensch ist eben ein Kind oder ein Enkel oder ein Urenkel oder ein Ururenkel derjenigen Menschen, die im Verlaufe der letzten Jahrhunderte gelebt haben und die unter dem Einflusse des heraufkommenden Materialismus ihren Empfindungen, ihren Gefühlen gewisse Richtungen gegeben haben. Diese Richtungen der Gefühle und Empfindungen drücken sich in jeder Einzelheit aus. 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