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When these matters are no mere tomfoolery but stand fully in occult life, this takes place under the influence of retarded beings from the hierarchy of the angels who become leaders there. These are the beings from the hierarchy next above man who are sought by these societies.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture XXI","site_heading":"Ceremonial Magic, Dead Souls, and Ahrimanic Immortality","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Und geradeso — das darf heute dazu gesagt werden — wie der Mensch gerechterweise die Verbindung mit seinem richtigen Angelos findet, so kann er auch den Zugang finden, wenn er solche Kräfte, solche Impulse sucht, die aus der Welt der Toten in gekennzeichneter Weise ahrimanische Verstärkungen sind, zu diesen zurückgebliebenen Geistern aus der ägyptisch-chaldäischen Zeit, zu diesen zurückgebliebenen Angeloi. Und diese zurückgebliebenen Angeloi, die spielen eine große Rolle in solchen okkulten Gesellschaften, die ich Ihnen geschildert habe. Die sind da wichtige Helfer und wichtige führende Geister. Da gibt es vieles in solchen okkulten Gesellschaften, was geradezu bestrebt ist, in der alten Weise Agyptisch-Chaldäisches auf die Gegenwart zu übertragen. Wenn das nicht bloßer Firlefanz ist, sondern wenn es wirklich im okkulten Leben drinnensteht, dann geschieht es unter dem Einflusse von zurückgebliebenen Wesen aus der Hierarchie der Angeloi, die da Führer sind. Und damit hätten wir auch hingedeutet auf jene Wesen aus der nächst übersinnlichen Hierarchie, die von solchen Gesellschaften gesucht werden.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":180,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/173c/1917-01-20/p030"}],"english":["GA 173c/1917-01-20/p038"],"method":"length","confidence":"medium","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":180,"en_words":190,"ratio":1.06,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.0,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":5322,"original_word_count":5331,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"not_established","translator":null,"identified_edition":"RSP1988","book_title":"The Karma of Untruthfulness II","publisher":"Rudolf Steiner Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA173c/English/RSP1988/19170120p01.html","evidence":null,"reason":"no_translator_named","note":"Neither the lecture's own page nor rsarchive's lecture list names a translator for it. 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